Carl Davis said:
flintlock62 said:
Carl Davis said:
Why is it when someone asks what your favorite sub is, the first answer is "buy black powder" and the second answer is "I don't use subs"?
Shouldn't only people who actually use subs be answering?
Why must everything here turn into a heated debate? :shake:
Some of us HAVE used subs and simply do not like it, that's why we say use real black. Try Swiss, you'll love it, ,,,
Here's my point -
The guy's question is:
"I'm going to cook some beef, what is your favorite recipe?"
Your answer is,
"Beef is bad for you, you should cook some fish".
His reply to you should be: "Please pay attention,
I'M GOING TO COOK SOME BEEF!" :haha:
Just trying to save people some grief. But what do
I know?
At one time part of my duties was inspecting guns with corrosion damaged bores. You can draw your own conclusion as to what damaged them.
Its America, people can do ANYTHING they want. I just feel people should at least be INFORMED as to the possible consequences.
If someone uses Pyrodex and many people do, they must follow some rules.
1. NEVER put ANYTHING in the bore that is liquid unless the fouling is to be immediately removed. This is direct from a Hodgdon response to Rifle or Handloader Magazine letter to editor (now many)years ago.
2. Unlike BP which cleans easily with cold water hot water may be needed. Lots of it. You cannot simply wipe the bore clean and think its good. It needs a thorough "washing". The salts are often harder to remove than BP fouing. In previously pitted bores such as vintage guns it becomes very much more difficult to prevent after rust.
3. Clean the gun COMPLETELY as soon as shooting is over. At the range so bring your own water bucket.
4. Simply using a water based patch lube while shooting can cause cumulative corrosion as can wet patching between shots (see #1).
5. There need not be red rust to have suffered damage. The active ingredients can eat the steel at the molecular level with no significant rust.
Yes I have used Pyrodex in testing with "company" guns. I have also seen the results of using Pyrodex and then simply wiping the bore clean as with BP or wet patching between relays in BPCR silhouette.
A great deal of the problem with Pyrodex early on was that some people writing about it or selling it called it non-corrosive. This was *not* Hodgdon's doing so far as I know. But it still damaged a lot of guns some beyond repair due to lack of or improper cleaning.
MY primary CONCERN with the various substitutes is that they erode BP sales. This reduces demand and squeezes the supply down farther and farther so that now I can by Pyrodex within 5 minute walk of my house in small town MT but cannot buy BP within 80 miles.
While BP in reality is no more dangerous and in fact is probably less so than modern propellents, the feds use a definition to impose unjustified, draconian rules on BP dealers. So the supply dries up. People then buy more subs. The process is like a Gov't inflicted cancer eating our sport.
Dan
ff in a negative way and then try to erroneously defend the indefensible.
