1st try relief carving, you guess the style

[Finnwolf]

Hello Rootnuke,
Fantastic work! A real work of art. I am on the verge of ordering a Haines from Chambers or Dunlap but I virtually ruled our carving because I have no experience but after see what you've done on your first try, I'm thinking again. Would you consider emailing me your templates?
If not, I fully understand.
Thanks,
Finnwolf

 

Fantastic work, it's a true drooler. That's gonna be one beautiful Flintlock. Just an idea, about the transfering of the patterns. You can use a photocopy, of the exact size you want, and iron it face down and lift it off of the wood, and it will transfer it's toner onto the stock. The irregular shape of a stock may be a bit harder, but I have done it for ribs on models, and as a pattern for engraving, and also for my possible bags You do have to make a reverse image first, but it works on wood metal, fabric, and even hide. :m2c: :results:

 

[TANSTAAFL]

Looks great to me, and the making of your templates was a bit of brilliance unto itself. :redthumb:

I have been contemplating having a go at it, but stayed spooked off. I am going to do some simple mouldings on next project, if it turns out, will maybe go on to next stage.

Thanks for sharing and encouraging some of us to have an attempt.

 

[rootnuke]

Hello Rootnuke,
Fantastic work! A real work of art. I am on the verge of ordering a Haines from Chambers or Dunlap but I virtually ruled our carving because I have no experience but after see what you've done on your first try, I'm thinking again. Would you consider emailing me your templates?
If not, I fully understand.
Thanks,
Finnwolf

No. :crackup:, I crack myself up.

But! when I'm done with this (about 2 weeks) you or anyone else can download the template images from my website. Hows that?
If I did not share on the forum, what the heck good would I be?eace:

 

[sse]

rootnuke - That looks very fine.

I can also make out a lot of curl in that stock, so that should jump out at you when you get to finishing it. I also like your extensive analysis of the various staining methods. I'll never be in your league, but it sure is fun to read this stuff and see the pics.

Regards, sse

 

[S_O_Laban]

Wow, from the sound of things I'd like to take a look at some of this "begin'n carving", is there a place where you have the pics hosted I could take a look? I'm not even getting red x's so I am not sure if the problem is my comp/or/settings or were the pics removed? :huh:

 

[rootnuke]

Wow, from the sound of things I'd like to take a look at some of this "begin'n carving", is there a place where you have the pics hosted I could take a look? I'm not even getting red x's so I am not sure if the problem is my comp/or/settings or were the pics removed? :huh:

should be ok now eace:

 

[GobblerKnob]

Rootnuke ~ Fantastic job! I have one question and it's not meant to cast any negativity on your innovation. Are your templates copyrighted in any manner or were the pictures you used for your templates copyrighted? I like your idea and would like to use it myself (I can't draw a straight line, :redface but would hate like blazes to get into trouble with someone over it. :shocking: As we all know, we live in a very litigious society. Any light you can shed would be greatly appreciated.
Rick

 

[Zonie]

GobblerKnob: I would think if you were going to use the enlargements for your own personal use, who's to know?

Not that I advocate violating copyrights, but someone would have a tough time convincing a court that you copied their photos when all there is to show for it is the carving on the wood. ::

Now, if you planned on selling the enlarged copies you could expect trouble. :boohoo:

Take for instance the Lion gun shown on a post here.
There must be over 20 different photos of that stock in my collection alone. Which author can claim you used "his" photo unless he had the evidence in his hand? :imo:

 

[rootnuke]

The templates are for "educational" purposes. Not for profit. I highly recommend investing in books in an effort to improve your craft and rewarding those that have spent untold hours researching and compiling the information.

You know what they call a bus load of attorneys at the bottom of the ocean? A good start :crackup:
You know why snakes won't bite attorneys? Professional courtesy. :crackup:

Attorneys are killing this country. grrrrrr....I'd better shut-up now. The more I think about them the more PO'd I get.

The only person that I know that would have a claim would be Isaac Haines...and last time I checked he was d-e-d, ded. Think about it, after all, isn't the old saying true, Imatation is the highest form of flattery.

:thumbsup: :hmm:

 

[rootnuke]

...I like your idea and would like to use it myself (I can't draw a straight line, :redface but would hate like blazes to get into trouble with someone over it. :shocking:...

Like I said, buy a book and make a copy of the drawing, cut it out and trace around it. Who's gonna know or care. Mark your gun up 1000.00 bucks for your "time" and be happy. Remember, your selling YOUR "time", not the paper template, the template is a just another tool of your trade.

PS: I'm not an attoney. Please consult an attorney of your choice. You may have rights your not aware of. Void in some states. Must have parents consent. Void where prohibited. Do not make copies and run heavy machinery. Consult your doctor....:yakyak:

 

[GobblerKnob]

Thanks for your reply, Rootnuke. What's a busload of attorneys on the ocean floor with one empty seat? A crying shame!
I have absolutely no use for attorney's, either. I'd rather listen to dogs bark than deal with one. I know how they are though, and while I wasn't trying cast any dispersion on your ingenuity, I wanted to know your thoughts on the subject. I got 'em and I appreciate it!
Rick

 

[Mike 257]

Rootnuke

I have been wanting to have a gun custom made for about 2 yrs now, but waiting on a gunbuilders list is killing me. I had considered getting a Jim Chambers Isaac Haines kit. I knew I could handle putting the gun together and doing an excellent job finishing the gun, since I have 18 yrs building kitchen cabinets. The only thing that stopped me from getting the kit was that I knew I couldn't carve, I was going to get a really fancy piece of wood to make up for my lack of talent. I have about 100 pages of sketches that I tried to draw and they look terrible. I stumbled over this forum tonight while searching for other kit guns and gunbuilders. When I saw your work and your idea of using a template,I flipped, I dragged my girlfriend in here to show her your work and your idea of using a template, she said it was very nice and asked me if I was going to pay off the flat screen T.V before buying another gun. One question I have is did you start the stock from a blank ? or did you buy some ones kit? The Jim Chambers kit has the Isaac Haines but it only comes in 50 and 54 cal, and I wanted 40 cal.

I will be buying something soon, Im very anxious to get started, going to go to woodworkers supply tommorow to look at tools and the beer distrubitor to get the Miller Light.

Mike

 

[S_O_Laban]

Thanks Rootnuke, I can now see what all the ahing! and ooohing! is all about. Very impressive carving. I look forward to some high definition pics of the finished product.

 

[rootnuke]

.... One question I have is did you start the stock from a blank ? or did you buy some ones kit? The Jim Chambers kit has the Isaac Haines but it only comes in 50 and 54 cal, and I wanted 40 cal.... Mike

It was a kit.

The kit I purchased was from TOW...
TOW John Bivins 1770 Early Lancaster C Profile 42" brl, 54 cal.

The reason I purchase the John Bivins 1770 kit is I wanted a 42" barrel. However I liked the Isaac Haines carving so being they were both of the Lancaster school I decided to just carve my John Bivin's like a Isaac Haines.

You may find the following kit interesting for your .40 cal needs...
TOW Isaac Haines Early Lancaster

Caveat Emptor! TOW is notorious for not having everything in stock for the kit. They will be square with you if you ask stock availability. Take carefull notes on what TOW has in stock, line up what they DO NOT have with other suppliers and buy from all once you line up your sources.

My MBS catalog is at work but you may consider calling Susan at Muzzleloader Builders Supply she may have a complete kit also. Order their catalog, its about a inch thick in goodies. MBS (479) 292-8866 :redthumb:

 

[rootnuke]

There just comes a point where you say, This is all I can do, it aint gonna get no better, this is it, its time to stop.

Well I have widdled and sanded and whiskered for the fourth go-around. This weekend I went over what seems to be it as far as the final prep in the stock carving process.

Here's what the stock looks like at 500grit .

Next step....Aqua Fortis

:redthumb:

 

[GobblerKnob]

Absolutely beautiful... :master:
Rick