.40 did it then

[larry wv]

You sure have better luck than me. I have never had a DRT with out shoulder , spine ,ect hit. Wish I was lucky enough to get one of those 9 or 12 or what ever pellets to DRT a deer. Seems like if the range was close enought to put one in the boiler room their would be more hits? Buckshot is illegal here so I have no experance with it. :idunno: Larry

 

[Little Wattsy]

You sure have better luck than me. I have never had a DRT with out shoulder , spine ,ect hit. Wish I was lucky enough to get one of those 9 or 12 or what ever pellets to DRT a deer. Seems like if the range was close enought to put one in the boiler room their would be more hits? Buckshot is illegal here so I have no experance with it. :idunno: Larry

Exactly ... And so urban legand is born..."Ye can kill a water buff with a .22 if ya hits it right" :surrender:

 

[roundball]

You guys might as well let this go and move on to other things.

You're dealing with thinking which on the one hand tries to defend a tiny .40cal as a great deer caliber in the ML world, yet some of the same posters use a .300 win mag as a centerfire deer rifle.
The obvious flaw in that logic is that they are in 100% direct conflict with each other.

IE:
If the little .40 is a great deer caliber in the ML world, it would follow that the little .22 Hornet is a great deer caliber in the CF world.

 

[tg]

"You're dealing with thinking which on the one hand tries to defend a tiny .40cal as a great deer caliber in the ML world,"

I have never claimed the .40 to be a great deer killer,if not used with prudence and responsibility the .54 is not a great deer killer I think all cals must be taken in the context of the limitations of their usage, just as when one steps into the woods with bow or buckshot they must know when to hold them and when to fold them.
it seems to me the anti smallbore contengency here is likely made up of those who have never used one to take deer,there is an anti PRB group as well who feel they need a big modern comical to kill deer, I personaly considered .40 as the min as it was as small as I felt comfortable with and confidence is a big factor,I now use only .58 and.62 under 50 yds as my comfort level has changed over the years, I suspect the small bore deer hunters likely have more years of experience overall than the big bore guys as way back in the '70's smaller bores were more common and we can do with out the "tsk,tsk," from the peanut section.I see no reason to condem someone who you realy have no idea or knowledge about how and where they hunt, I think a lot of folks here were probably not hunting deer in the early resurgence of ML seasons blowing a lot of smoke out of their breeches about small bores being unethical,and it brings to mind that there is more than one definition of bore just a different spelling.I no longer use small bores or even rifles but I am tired of seeing the small bore guys, many who have likely more experience than their attackers get slammed for their choice of guns.I have chewed on both ends of the carrot and have no doubts about this topic.

 

[John Wasmuth]

"You're dealing with thinking which on the one hand tries to defend a tiny .40cal as a great deer caliber in the ML world,"

I have never claimed the .40 to be a great deer killer,if not used with prudence and responsibility the .54 is not a great deer killer I think all cals must be taken in the context of the limitations of their usage, just as when one steps into the woods with bow or buckshot they must know when to hold them and when to fold them.

Exactly.

 

[roundball]

I think all cals must be taken in the context of the limitations of their usage

You win the gold star...that's what is often missing from some posts in these small caliber discussions...the "qualifying statements of limitations".

I've sat squirrel hunting with a little 30grn powder charge behind a .440 and killed a Doe and a 5 pointer...but they were direct heart shots only 20 yards in front of my boots, and I sure wouldn't have taken that shot with that load if they'd been 100+ yards away.

:thumbsup:

 

[tg]

I for one am willing to give the benifit of the doubt to those who have hunted for many years with small cals that they have learned and use these guns in a proper maner,or they would likely have went to something else,in the early 70's there were a lot of .45 Deer guns around, I also believe that any of those who like the small bores would give adequate advise and explanation of what is envolved to new hunters looking to choose a gun,I do not see much else that I could say on the topic so I will do my part in letting this fade away hoping some have came away with something of value in reguards to cal.choice and ethics and how they are intertwined factualy and practicaly, hopefully leaving modern ballistics aside,have a good day gentlemen.

 

[Vaino]

After all these ensuing posts...what has been accomplished? Evidently ...what one goes in with, one comes out with, so it's really an exercise in futility arguing whatever caliber is or was used. Personally, I don't give a rat's behind what people shoot today or what was shot 150-200 years ago...just so the chosen caliber gets the job done....Fred

 

[nchawkeye]

Actually in NC it's perfectly legal to hunt deer with a .22...

No poaching involved...

 

[RickD]

How did I know the name calling would start

 

[Coot]

Can a .40 kill deer? Yes.
Can a .40 kill deer as far away as a .45, .50 or .54? No.
Should everyone know and abide by their skill level and the limits of the weapon in hand? Yes.
Personal insults fail to advance a position on the subject.

 

[tg]

Wattsy I usually do not get your post many, will probably see why after this thread,you are completely out of line and are not listening to or understanding what is being put forth here,I suspect that many of the veteran hunters here were taking deer with .40-.45 cals on a regular basis and in a humane manner when you were still a gleam in your fathers eye, you came rather late to the ML hunting party to be offering such a hard shelled no budge "factual" statements, now having said that in the most polite way I can it is back to the lead box for you my friend.I suggest that those small bore shooters just take such postings with the grain of salt they warrant.

 

[hanshi]

Just thought I'd throw this in but I love the .22 Hornet. I own a delightful, extraordinarily accurate (old model) Kimber. The rifle is soooo easy to shoot well it is like hunting with a scalpel; shot can be surgically placed.

Back when I used centerfires I used it to kill deer, large bucks and small does with it. No shot exceeded about 50 yards and every one was a one shot kill. I picked my shots and placed them carefully. No angled/risky shots were taken. The largest buck I killed with it was traveling with a smaller one when I saw them. The smaller one was the most visible so I carefully dropped him with my usual neck shot. A few minutes his companion came around to see what had happened. When I saw THAT buck I was overcome with buck fever. No way I could make a neck shot while shaking like that. He was a very, very nice 8 pointer. I just couldn't make myself let him walk so I aimed for the lungs. I fired and he made a very short mad dash and I lost sight of him. I walked up to the first deer and immediately saw the enormous blood trail from the big guy. I walked up on him and was flabbergasted at the amount of blood and damage.

I look at the .40 as being kinda like that Hornet. Pick your shots, shoot well and don't shoot too far and it works just fine.

 

[Little Wattsy]

Wattsy I usually do not get your post many, will probably see why after this thread,you are completely out of line and are not listening to or understanding what is being put forth here,I suspect that many of the veteran hunters here were taking deer with .40-.45 cals on a regular basis and in a humane manner when you were still a gleam in your fathers eye, you came rather late to the ML hunting party to be offering such a hard shelled no budge "factual" statements, now having said that in the most polite way I can it is back to the lead box for you my friend.I suggest that those small bore shooters just take such postings with the grain of salt they warrant.

As I try to unravel this almost incoherant post I will remind you that we are NOT talking about a .45...Nay not a .40....Why not even a lowly .36; We are discussing the killing capacity of a .32. Now I may not be in the "Don Quixote camp on the purity of round balls like YOU are" but even as a public skool student I can grasp that a field tip from a modern compound bow "within its limits" has more killing potential then a .32 and only a fool would hunt that way. AAAAANNNNND I will state MY opinion again that THAT (a .32 muzzleloader) is NOT a responsible gun to hunt deer with. :blah:

 

[John Wasmuth]

Fool? ahh, ok, sure go on about the name calling. I know this, I know that I have killed more deer with .41's and .32's in the last 46 years than many people will ever see. Dont like it, I could care less. You said that I should have the gun shoved some where in one of your earlier posts, just another internet tough guy that drinks way to much and reads to many wantabe magazines. Have fun amigo, I'm gona go thump a whitetail doe smack in the side of the head with a ,32 tomorrow and do so in your honor, just cuz I like ya so much. :hatsoff:

 

[nkbj]

:applause:

That looks like a defective emticon so's I have to spell it out:
APPLAUSE

 

[tg]

Hey Micanopy, do you remember that old saying that opinions is like ^%^holes ,everyone has one...and some folks is one or something like that? :hmm: good hunting to you my friend

 

[KHickam]

Fool? ahh, ok, sure go on about the name calling. I know this, I know that I have killed more deer with .41's and .32's in the last 46 years than many people will ever see. Dont like it, I could care less. You said that I should have the gun shoved some where in one of your earlier posts, just another internet tough guy that drinks way to much and reads to many wantabe magazines. Have fun amigo, I'm gona go thump a whitetail doe smack in the side of the head with a ,32 tomorrow and do so in your honor, just cuz I like ya so much. :hatsoff:

Thump one for me too - I am gonna be watching dogs at a field trial from that back of a walking horse tomorrow.

 

[John Wasmuth]

Si. Tomorrow is the last day of the doe and spike season. Then I have to move over to one of the ranches I work at, they have an MLD3 which allows us to kill them until Feb 28. Boss says I can use whatever I want to kill them with so all the ML's are gona get a work out many times over! :thumbsup:

 

[John Wasmuth]

And the best of hunting to you good sir! :hatsoff: