.40 did it then

[rdillion]

Oh come on Ozark, you know you have to have at least a 75cal to kill a 125 pound whitetail. Reminds me of the guys at work who hunt with 7mm mags or 300 Win mags and never take a shot over 100 yards. Maybe they like the added recoil. :shocked2:

 

[roundball]

There have been a lot of threads lately concerning less than .50 rb's not being effective enouph for deer and large calibers being a "must".

Choice of words are important...where are the threads and posts...any posts...that made either one of those across the board statements?

Posts I've seen on this subject that raised any question about the little .40cal have been in the context of small caliber limitations that have to be accommodated...certainly all of mine have been...and that larger calibers have fewer limitations, etc.

I've never seen a single post by anyone saying "less than 50 rb's not being effective", or that "large calibers are a must".



But I have seen a few mis-quotes of posts, a few mis-representations of the point of a post, a few snippets repeated out of context, etc

 

[ozark57]

Check out "enough power" right now Round ball. No one is attacking your large calibers, I have a .62 smooth bore and a .54. I'm not bigeted.
I still maintain though that these large calibers are not required to ethicly take whitetail deer, and that 150 years ago, at least in this area, small calibers were the the most prevalent.

 

[hanshi]

:idunno: Hey, all! Whatever happened to allowing everyone their opinion and respecting that opinion whether or not you subscribe to it? Don't smush the whole pie in someones face just cause they question the filling! :v

 

[ozark57]

:idunno: Hey, all! Whatever happened to allowing everyone their opinion and respecting that opinion whether or not you subscribe to it? Don't smush the whole pie in someones face just cause they question the filling! :v

I second that! :v :v

 

[nchawkeye]

:idunno: Hey, all! Whatever happened to allowing everyone their opinion and respecting that opinion whether or not you subscribe to it? Don't smush the whole pie in someones face just cause they question the filling! :v

I second that! :v :v

I third it...As my post pointed out, it ain't the killing, it's the finding... :grin:

Use whatever makes you happy...

 

[Little Wattsy]

"...If your hunting the big boys carry your big rifle..."

And that's always the wild card in these kinds of discussions...speaking only for myself, after waiting all year for the next deer season to get here, and I only have a fixed number of days to get out after them, I don't want to leave anything to chance and kick myself in the butt for the next 5 years...so I go after them with all possible advantages tilted my way
:wink:

EXACTLY!!!

 

[larry wv]

so I go after them with all possible advantages tilted my way-- YEP thats the way you get the BIG boys. Not by hopeing he gives you a perfect shot at a shorter range. Larry

 

[Marc Adamchek]

Any deer 25 yds or less I throw the gun down, run my arse off and WRESTLE the dang thing to the ground, squeezing all the air outta those lungs!

 

[410-er]

IMHO I think its where you put that ball and not so much the size.I like the big to the little ones. :grin:

 

[tg]

"Choice of words are important...where are the threads and posts...any posts...that made either one of those across the board statements?"

You are correct Roundball but thereare such broad statemants being made by Bridges and others that may eliminate anything under .54 in the future if allowed to go unchallenged and a centerfire mindset is applied to ML regs.

 

[rdillion]

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
What about a bayonet?

 

[Homesteader]

"...I go after them with all possible advantages tilted my way"

Isn't that just a bit contrary to the whole idea of using front-stuffers in the first place? Not trying to be an A-hole or anything, but if I wanted to use all possible advantages, I'd use my buddy's .300 win mag over a feed plot.

 

[larry wv]

Marc I guess if you squeeze it hard enough you won't have to gut it or tenderize it :thumbsup: Homesteader I use a flintlock during the 2 week gun season here. So I compete with an army of orange punkins and magnum center fires. Larry

 

[roundball]

"...I go after them with all possible advantages tilted my way"

Isn't that just a bit contrary to the whole idea of using front-stuffers in the first place? Not trying to be an A-hole or anything, but if I wanted to use all possible advantages, I'd use my buddy's .300 win mag over a feed plot.

Not at all...you completely miss the point and your statement about a .300 mag is absurd...we're talking about "muzzleloaders"...and they intentionally come in a wide range of calibers.

The best odds approach for humanely taking game is to match the caliber to the game being hunted to ensure variations of hunting conditions and distances are best covered...that's what is meant by tilting the odds in my favor...reread and comprehend the complete text instead of twisting part of a phrase out of context in an attempt to satisfy some personal view...instead of selectively omitting all my other qualifying comments about the .40cal or any smaller calibers being fine for shorter distances with the patience to wait for the precise shot due their limitations.

The bottom line is that no matter how hard you wish it to be true, small .32/.36/.40cals will never be equal in performance as all around big game calibers considering all the possible variations of hunting conditions like distance, bones, size of the animal, etc...if they were there would be no need for larger calibers like the .45/.50/.54/.56/.58/.62/.69, etc.

If you'd take a 120 yard shot at a deer with a .40cal, that would be completely irresponsible...so stick with your modern .300 mag over bait piles and leave muzzleloading alone. And if you have a different view about a .40cal then state "your" view on its own merits without quoting/twisting what someone else has said out of context to try and serve your needs.

 

[Sekiar]

There are a number of old home places around here and I've searched a number with out finding any loose change.....My dad told me not to expect to find any because most of the people here in the Ozarks at that time period didn't have it to loose. Powder, balls and any other items that cost money would always be in short supply so it did make goos sense to use a smaller caliber and like Bill said most shots were close. I have an old model 4 Remington rolling block that my grandfather purchased new for my dad in 1917 and it has been shot so many times with shorts(money again) that when it was given to me the chamber was in bad shape, however shooting it with glasses to keep the blow by out of my face it still shot long rifles just fine.

 

[larry wv]

Poor people around here also . I find a fair amount of pennies. And believe it or not gold jewlery(spelled wrong). Prob handed down family to family till some poor soul lost it. A couple indian camps right here so maybe that is why most of the round balls are .50 or larger. Danial Boone even had a trading post about 10 miles from here. Could be some of those old balls(the lead) were sold by Danial himself. :idunno: Would be nice to think that Larry

 

[Homesteader]

Good lord, guy! Little touchy there, aren't ya? No offense was intended, though it sure seems to have been taken. Do what you want, I'll do what I want, and we'll both be happy as larks.

I hunt only with front stuffers. I use either a .45 long rifle or a 14 bore smoothie for everything. That's the way I like it, they're both legal, and it works for me.

I don't feed them all year and then shoot them from a tree house while they eat, I don't put a scope on my rock-lock, and I very often pass on shots. I also don't really care how y'all do it up north.

Lotsa things I could do to tilt the odds, but that's not why I'm using a front stuffer. You draw the line where you want, I'll draw it where I want.

You might want to lighten up a bit. No one should get that bent outta shape from a simple comment on an internet chat board.

 

[rdillion]

I don't roam around in the Ozarks like I used to do while hunting. When I did I always loved finding those old home-places. Most of the time only a field stone fireplace marked the home-place. In the spring it was neat to see the old flower beds in bloom. I've used a metal detector around a few of these sites but never found anything of value. Interesting stuff but nothing valuable. One sad thing is that many of these old homesteads will have a grave or two around them. It was a hard life for a lot of these people.
I like my 40cal because of the one rifle aspect. Sure the 50cal is a better deer rifle. If it was legal for use on small game in Ark. that's probably what I would use. All of the old rifles I've had a chance to look at have been 40cal or there about. In this country it seems the Winchester in 38WCF was also favorite. Its seems every Winchester I've looked at that has been passed down from grandpaw was in this Cal.

 

[ozark57]

"Choice of words are important...where are the threads and posts...any posts...that made either one of those across the board statements?"

You are correct Roundball but thereare such broad statemants being made by Bridges and others that may eliminate anything under .54 in the future if allowed to go unchallenged and a centerfire mindset is applied to ML regs.

This is what I don't like TG. If we "insiders" do not speak up concerning this issue and allow it become common thinking, regulation is then possible. Why not? "Expert" writers like Bridges say RB's are not good enough for deer. Where do the States get their information for hunting regs. from?