Appropriate cylinder gap for Colt revolvers

[45D]

I simply am suggesting a Magnum level proof load for a design strength comparison (fired remotely as repeatedly stated) to prove or disprove your contention.

See!!!! THIS is absolutely IRRESPONSIBLE!!!

You are suggesting l do something TOTALLY DANGEROUS to prove a point to you ?!!!!! Who the heck are YOU?
I'll stick to normal "sane" testing so many may benefit.

Mike

 

[wiscoaster]

@45D IS looking out for forum members best interests. His business is successful and will remain so due to satisfied customers. Customers who win matches.

Yes, but what about the ones discouraged by him when they think their firearms are flawed and they shouldn't be shooting them, those who give up and move on to some other interest? Those are potential customers lost. I still think his approach, and if that's part of the business plan, is flawed. Don't make it so damn difficult and intimidating for them. Which, frankly, is what these nit-picking arguments are all part of, IMO.

 

[M. De Land]

@45D IS looking out for forum members best interests. His business is successful and will remain so due to satisfied customers. Customers who win matches.

Like I said before, most of Mikes stuff is sound and then there is the horse manure part ! Proclaiming or implying that open top revolvers are just as strong as solid frame revolvers is the horse manure part .
I commend him for the good stuff he does and advocates and say what I think is wrong about the other part! Your a loyal fan of his and that is fine but if you believe some of this tripe your deceived !

 

[M. De Land]

Yes, but what about the ones discouraged by him when they think their firearms are flawed and they shouldn't be shooting them, those who give up and move on to some other interest? Those are potential customers lost. I still think his approach, and if that's part of the business plan, is flawed. Don't make it so damn difficult and intimidating for them. Which, frankly, is what these nit-picking arguments are all part of, IMO.

I have found that these differences of opinion almost always reveal new things to shooters who really are interested in the minutia and techniques of how these things are accomplished as well as a good argument . What I like is the exchange of idea and techniques to challenge my own thinking. Some of them are a slap in the forehead moment and proclamation of "why didn't I think of that" and then others "sure glad I didn't do it that way"!
If Mike lived next door I'm sure we would be best of friends and argue just as much. We both love and work on guns and have our own mind as to what is correct, so whats not to like !

 

[45D]

Yes, but what about the ones discouraged by him when they think their firearms are flawed and they shouldn't be shooting them, those who give up and move on to some other interest? Those are potential customers lost. I still think his approach, and if that's part of the business plan, is flawed. Don't make it so damn difficult and intimidating for them. Which, frankly, is what these nit-picking arguments are all part of, IMO.

Ummmmm , if the arbor is short, they're flawed . . . I didn't do that "they" did. I'm just trying to educate them about their revolvers so they can enjoy them the way they were designed. I even show them how to easily fix it! If you think that's a bad thing, fine.
I didn't ask you about a business plan, haven't needed one so far. Just "making them right" has been all I've needed.

Mike

 

[NorthFork]

Like I said before, most of Mikes stuff is sound and then there is the horse manure part ! Proclaiming or implying that open top revolvers are just as strong as solid frame revolvers is the horse manure part .
I commend him for the good stuff he does and advocates and say what I think is wrong about the other part! Your a loyal fan of his and that is fine but if you believe some of this tripe your deceived !

Horse manure?!? @45D did you know what you speak is manure?

 

[45D]

If Mike lived next door I'm sure we would be best of friends and argue just as much. We both love and work on guns and have our own mind as to what is correct, so whats not to like !

Probably the truth!!!

 

[user 922]

Message to 45D:
I recently purchased a Uberti Paterson, manufactured in 1999, in like-new condition. I do not intend to fire it.
I noticed that the wedge is loose - I can push it out, or completely in, with just finger pressure. I also note that the blueing is scraped off on one part of the cylinder face. I would like to fix that, just so I can cock the pistol occasionally without further damaging the finish.
Is that an example of a short arbor? Can it be fixed with shims as you have described?

 

[NorthFork]

Ummmmm , if the arbor is short, they're flawed . . . I didn't do that "they" did. I'm just trying to educate them about their revolvers so they can enjoy them the way they were designed. I even show them how to easily fix it! If you think that's a bad thing, fine.
I didn't ask you about a business plan, haven't needed one so far. Just "making them right" has been all I've needed.

Mike

Why don't they get this??

 

[45D]

Horse manure?!? @45D did you know what speak is manure?

Have not a clue. I have no need for trickery. What I have done, I have done.
Mr. De Land hasn't even done what I've done and with his setup, I'd fire it remotely for sure!!!
Mine, ya don't have to . . .
Mike

 

[M. De Land]

Horse manure?!? @45D did you know what speak is manure?

Are you able to think for yourself and stand on your own ideas or do you just borrow them from who ever your currently sucked up to.

 

[NorthFork]

Are you able to think for yourself and stand on your own ideas or do you just borrow them from who ever your currently sucked up to.

Oh boy! Do you really want to go down this path? Yes I can think for myself. I vehemently disagree with @45D about Pietta vs Uberti. I will go to my grave with the impression that Pietta Colt repro's and Pietta Remington repro's are superior to Uberti's. @45D 's opinion not withstanding. That said he is 100% correct on methodology to correct short arbors (that modern Pietta Colt repro's do not have) . He is also correct in that Colt's or Colt repro's are NOT weaker than Remington's or Rem repro's.. One can agree with someone and not be a robot too!

 

[M. De Land]

Have not a clue. I have no need for trickery. What I have done, I have done.
Mr. De Land hasn't even done what I've done and with his setup, I'd fire it remotely for sure!!!
Mine, ya don't have to . . .
Mike

Mike, the builders of cartridge cylinders for percussion guns were the ones who went here before you did and have already been where you are and tested the pressure limits of what they can handle safely without wrecking them over a reasonable life.

 

[Dickydalton]

Are you able to think for yourself and stand on your own ideas or do you just borrow them from who ever your currently sucked up to.

I come here mostly to see what you are going to say next. You honestly make me laugh so hard that I almost fall off the chair! Lot's of personal attacks though, shows the truth!

 

[NorthFork]

I come here mostly to see what you are going to say next. You honestly make me laugh so hard that I almost fall off the chair! Lot's of personal attacks though, shows the truth!

Yeah this!!!

 

[45D]

Mike, the builders of cartridge cylinders in percussion guns were the ones who went here before you did and have already been where you are and tested the pressure limits of what they can handle safely without wrecking them over a reasonable life.

Actually, they didn't. Walt is the first to offer 45acp to the '60 Army crowd and I was asked to be a part of it. So, my tests are not only for me, but for Mr. Kirst as well. Crazy huh?

Mike

 

[Dickydalton]

It'll never stop...

 

[M. De Land]

Actually, they didn't. Walt is the first to offer 45acp to the '60 Army crowd and I was asked to be a part of it. So, my tests are not only for me, but for Mr. Kirst as well. Crazy huh?

Mike

I knew you would go there that's why I spe

I come here mostly to see what you are going to say next. You honestly make me laugh so hard that I almost fall off the chair! Lot's of personal attacks though, shows the truth!

Yeah the facts often have that effect on the less informed !
cifically mentioned pressure and not cartridge.

 

[M. De Land]

Actually, they didn't. Walt is the first to offer 45acp to the '60 Army crowd and I was asked to be a part of it. So, my tests are not only for me, but for Mr. Kirst as well. Crazy huh?

Mike

I knew you would go there and is the reason I specifically mentioned pressure and not cartridge.

 

[TDM]

Some of you guys need to step back several paces and think about how ridiculous you sound spouting unsound opinions while criticizing someone like @45D with a proven track record of knowledge and experience.