Ball starters

[jtmattison]

Have you read the letter to the editor in the latest issue of Muzzleloader. Using the correct ball size means not needing a short starter, not breaking ramrods, not wiping between shots, and not being tired from loading (or attempting to load.) Accuracy doesn't suffer, and the shooter has fun.

Just because it's in print doesn't make it law.
All I say is to each his own.
I enjoy myself thoroughly when I shoot and yes, sometimes I swab between every shot, and I always use a short starter.

:hatsoff:

HD

 

[roundball]

Have you read the letter to the editor in the latest issue of Muzzleloader. Using the correct ball size means not needing a short starter, not breaking ramrods, not wiping between shots, and not being tired from loading (or attempting to load.) Accuracy doesn't suffer, and the shooter has fun.

Just because it's in print doesn't make it law.
All I say is to each his own.
I enjoy myself thoroughly when I shoot and yes, sometimes I swab between every shot, and I always use a short starter.
:hatsoff:
HD

Just shot a 50 round range session this morning with a .45cal Flinter...used my short starter every time, never wiped between shots, didn't "break any ramrods", accuracy was outstanding, and I enjoyed myself so much I'm going to do it again tomorrow morning with a .50cal.

:thumbsup:

(...course it's just one of those 1:48's you know, so I hope I can keep all the shots inside the 10 foot high dirt berms around the range...)

:rotf:

 

Have you read the letter to the editor in the latest issue of Muzzleloader. Using the correct ball size means not needing a short starter, not breaking ramrods, not wiping between shots, and not being tired from loading (or attempting to load.) Accuracy doesn't suffer, and the shooter has fun.

Oh, a letter to the editor! Well, there's proof. We all stand corrected. (or we could all write letters and chnage history)

Sorry, Mr. Lewis, you're just too much fun to poke at, cuz you know everything (and we don't). :rotf:

I don;t know why we bother to discuss anything, when you could just give us all the answers. Please moderators forgive me, but am I the only one who thinks this is hilarious?

 

[Halftail]

.course it's just one of those 1:48's you know, so I hope I can keep all the shots inside the 10 foot high dirt berms around the range...)

:rotf: :rotf: :hatsoff:

 

[Halftail]

but am I the only one who thinks this is hilarious?

No your not.

 

[soggy]

Please moderators forgive me, but am I the only one who thinks this is hilarious?

:hatsoff: Nope I'm with you :rotf: :rotf:

:grin: Mother used to tell me "If your friend went and jumped off the bridge, would you?" I think she was telling me it's ok to think for yourself. :blah:
Soggy My .02 cents(canadian) worth

 

[coehornboy]

Here is the end of a original jaeger barrel...it is slightly coned..

:v

 

[Stumpkiller]

Please moderators forgive me, but am I the only one who thinks this is hilarious?

:hatsoff: Nope I'm with you :rotf: :rotf:

:grin: Mother used to tell me "If your friend went and jumped off the bridge, would you?" I think she was telling me it's ok to think for yourself. :blah:
Soggy My .02 cents(canadian) worth

They didn't have moderators in 1770 so I can't respond. Pretend I'm a figment of your imagination. :rotf:

 

[Swampman]

If you prefer doing things the hard and non-traditional way, that's fine. I'll continue to follow the methods of the old timers.

 

If you prefer doing things the hard and non-traditional way, that's fine. I'll continue to follow the methods of the old timers.

We all want to learn. Please present documentaion when telling us how they did things.

Thanks

 

[oomcurt]

Just my two cents on all this, not specifically replying to Dale or anyone else... In a way, this whole thread is kinda hillarious to me. Think about this...be it a military person or a fur trade trapper...do you really think they had time to use a short starter in a combat situation? I really don't care if one uses a short starter or not..I use one..and I have loaded without at times if I didn't want to haul all my range rod along to a different shooting station. Yes, I have a coned barrel. That brings us to that part of the equation. I believe there were a lot of coned barrels back when..to me it makes sense. And there Gentlemen we have it in a nutshell...do what makes sense to you, not to anyone else. Being HC to the nth degree does not put the shot in the x ring nor bring down that elk or deer.

 

[Halftail]

I dunno.....I kinda like arguing over stupid things. :grin:

 

[Hoyt]

I like being PC..personaly correct..since I'm the one I'm trying to please.

 

[Claude Mathis]

I like being PC..personaly correct..since I'm the one I'm trying to please.

I have to be PC... (Perfectly Claude) :grin:

 

[jtmattison]

If you prefer doing things the hard and non-traditional way, that's fine. I'll continue to follow the methods of the old timers.

I'm not trying to get personal here Swampman.
It's just that I feel everyone likes to do things different. As I said before, to each his own.
:v
Happy shooting :grin:

HD

 

[Halftail]

OK,
That settles it.....We ALL think that the Short Starter is the way to go.... :blah: :rotf:

 

[Deadeye]

Halftail, what he's basically saying is if you don't do it his way, you don't know diddly.
My idea on a "correct ball and patch setup" is when you can't start the ball WITHOUT a short starter. It all depends on what your doing, I'm trying to be accurate and that works for me.

 

[jtmattison]

My idea on a "correct ball and patch setup" is when you can't start the ball WITHOUT a short starter. It all depends on what your doing, I'm trying to be accurate and that works for me.

I agree. I feel the ball/patch combo should be as tight as possible making a short starter necessary.
My rifles all shoot best with a very tight fitting ball/patch combo.
If I loosen it up my groups open up.

HD

 

[roundball]

If you prefer doing things the hard and non-traditional way, that's fine. I'll continue to follow the methods of the old timers.

I'm not trying to get personal here Swampman.
It's just that I feel everyone likes to do things different. As I said before, to each his own.
:v
Happy shooting :grin:

HD

As you know, the problem is simply the difference between:

1) A poster offering an opinion on how he/she does something, then ending it;

.....vs.....

2) A poster trying to force his/her specific personal decision on someone else ad naseum;

Such a simple concept to grasp... :shake:


I used my short starter again this morning to seat 50 tight Hornady .490/Pillow ticking combos...but if someone else wants to thumb start theirs, more power to them...has no bearing on my life what-so-ever.

Why some people make a "my way's better than your way" controversy out of practically every issue that comes up is beyond me...life's too short...end of story.

:hatsoff:

 

[Claude Mathis]

As you know, the problem is simply the difference between:

1) A poster offering an opinion on how he/she does something, then ending it;

.....vs.....

2) A poster trying to force his/her specific personal decision on someone else ad naseum;

I agree. We've covered this subject before, with a member who is no longer with us.

There are two ways to present the same information. One is is to offer it as "one possible method" and let the reader decide for themselves if it will work for them and the other is to tell people what they should be doing. Each method will be met with different results.