As you can see the quote thingy didn't work.....
that is you seem to stop at 1800 and east of the Mississippi.
That is correct. I don't have much interest in the west or after 1800 untill you get to the cowboy era.
Were they called "canoe" guns - NO and no more so than Type D's, G's, etc. were called that back then, but those names are used and RESPECTED by serious students of the genre so what is the problem????
Serious students of the genre are moving past those labels. Hamilton's "Types" were great in their day, but we're moving past that now.
And I call BS again over your comment about only
"gun hacks" making such guns -
I can honestly say I have ever seen what the owner said was a canoe gun that wasn't a "hack job". Chubby, poor craftsmanship and of course a complete fantasy. Of course my standards of craftsmanship are probably different that what others will accept....comes with the occupation I make a living at. One of my many flaws I suppose, the ability to know a turd when I'm looking at one.
you make a nice gun by all reports,
Thanks! :bow:
but you are not GOD so IMO back off with the really snide remarks about other makers.
NOT GOD!!!!!! :shocked2: First I've heard about this! :haha:
I knew Curly G., albeit not well, and he was one fine gentleman and a heck of a maker
Yea, me too. Made the mistake of my life camping next to him at the '83 midwestern rendezvous. He and his buds drank hooted and hollered all night long then went to bed when the sun came up. That really sucked as I was there to shoot, not drink all night and sleep all day. I lost alot of respect for the man at that point.
just like the folks currently making guns at NSW, or Ric Carter, or many others who make such guns and yes who have done the research for the time and place - have you??
RESEARCH! I have been building historically correct guns for 29 years, 13 of those years full time. I have been making a living doing so with out ever having to stoop so low as to have to find a gimmick like a "Canoe gun" to dupe the unwary into parting with their money. I have more books on old guns than any sane person should have and was recently hired by the largest gun auction company in the country as their antique arms expert and description writer. My experience, pedigree and research back ground is as good or better than anyone that's producing "canoe guns".
Yep the term canoe gun is a marketing tool, but to imply that it is used only to "suck in" the newbies (implying something illegal which could be technically libel by the way dependent on jurisdiction) is again BS
:rotf: I think sucking in newbies goes back several millenia.... nothing new about it.
IMO if you're a newbie you should do real research - as the Romans said a long time ago caveat emptor...........the idea that you or anyone else are protecting the innocent is again just so much BS..........
So, let me get this straight....Newbies are fresh meat and shouldn't be brought up to speed on what is correct and what isn't??
caveat emptor In this case I guess you mean "screw them over before they figure out the truth". I really couldn't live with myself if I had to make money that way.
I make no claim to being an NO expert, but when I do answer, as I have done here, I try my best to keep a civil tongue and back up the info I offer with primary documentation, something the naysayers in this thread and others on the subject seldom seem to do.
Honestly I don't have the time to give the proper documentation on all this stuff. I spend way too much time on this board as it is. I can point interested folks in the right direction and they can buy the books like I have if they are truly interested. I give my 29 years of research away for free so anyone is free to take it or leave it.
but IMO we should all remember Mr. Voltaire's dictum (paraphrased), "I will fight to the death to allow you say what you wish, whether I agree or not"........and thus we should keep our comments as civil as possible since there is absolutely no need to answer with the kind of assinine disrespect seen in some of the answers here........
Hackers are still hackers, hard to sugar coat that sort of thing.
By the way, I don't think it was Gostomski that "invented" the "canoe gun". He reproduced the "blanket gun" which is 100% correct, but the "canoe gun" didn't come into being untill the last decade or so, long after his passing.