Cap sucking cure procedure

[duelist1954]

As requested in the original thread (which has devolved into an aftermarket nipple discussion - not that there is anything wrong with that)...

I've made a video showing my procedure to cure cap sucking in replica Colt C&B revolvers by de-horning the hammer safety slot.

I've done this procedure on two notorious cap sucking guns so far and I've seen a 100% cure without resorting to expensive aftermarket nipples.

I posted the video in the "Media" forum rather than here, because the admins insist on moving my video posts there.

As an aside, I think that is just plain wrong. If I posted 100 still pictures here with a 20 page text explanation of the procedure, it would be allowed to stay in the handguns forum. But, if I use video as the medium for the same information, my post is relegated to the Media and history forum.

Somehow, my how to video is considered the same as a post on "The Revenant" or LOTM, which is redculous, and it generally guarantees that about three people will ever see the post.

OK...rant over.

Here's the link to the Media forum
http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/.../tid/300370/pid/1570517/post/1570517/#1570517

 

[Obi-Wan Cannoli]

I think ... it would be allowed to stay in the handguns forum. But, if I use video as the medium for the same information, my post is relegated to the Media and history forum.

Just out of curiosity, I wonder why the video was not moved to "The Gun Builder's Bench" section since you are modifying a forum approved gun?

 

[Smokey Plainsman]

A forum approved gun?

 

[MSW]

as in, not an X-line (which we don't discuss) or a ctg. firearm.

in all candor, I cannot see any problem with the purportedly objectionable video... I just watched it and i'll follow the recommendations if my new 1860 'sucks caps.'

 

[M. De Land]

It was pretty good but I saw more of the back of Mike's head then I did the notch dressing fix. :wink:

 

[Mean Gene]

Yah! Lol, it was a good thing he was narrating.

 

[MSW]

It was pretty good but I saw more of the back of Mike's head then I did the notch dressing fix. :wink:

too true - not his usual high standard, but informative nonetheless.

 

[Joe Zakas]

I took out the 1860 Pietta Colt shooting over the weekend and disassembled it down completely. After looking at Mike's video, I used my rock hounding magnifier glass and viewed the hammer notch. Wow, not much with the naked eye, but under scope the burrs and rough edges show up. Enough edge burr to pinch the caps in a pincer grip.
Very informative. Did not think of it as an issue until the video. Will soon clean up and file down the 1860's and 1851's that I have. :bow:
Joe Z

 

[Zonie]

Very interesting.

I would think, if the rough edges of the hammer pin slot was the culprit, filling the slot with JB Weld would have solved the problem but appearently it did not work as well as deburring the slot?

I'll have to think on that one for a while. :hmm: :hmm:

 

[duelist1954]

I'm trying to get a better one together. The problem is that I have to get close to see what I'm doing. I tried making another with a GoPro type camera, but it shot over the work. I think I have the angle right...finally, and I'll try again soon.

 

[Mr. Troll]

I have been experimenting with various ideas trying to cure the cap jam problem with the Uberti G&G I bought. I have uncovered some things that might be of help to others with a similar problem. Initially, the cap would fall into the action every shot. The OEM nipples were the wrong taper to hold any of the three types of caps I had, so they would often fall off on the ground...I switched to a set of OEM Pietta nipples and Remington #10 caps. The caps stayed put, but now I noticed that the hammer wasn't holding them on the nipple during firing. They would still fall into the hammer slot. The OEM Uberti main spring was pretty wimpy, so I switched it with a spare Pietta 1860 Army spring I had and the problem got better. Light loads seemed to work just fine, but the gun was very innacurate with them. I bumped up the load to 24 gr of powder, and the hammer problem returned. I put the Uberti spring AND the Pietta spring in ( I had to trim the Uberti spring a little, and the caps all stayed on the hammer didn't bounce, and they all fell out the right side like they are supposed to. None of them stayed "stuck" to the hammer face. The trigger pull was pretty heavy, so I experimented with cutting down the length of the Uberti spring to about 1/2 it's original length. The hammer still hits quite hard, and the trigger pull is now almost as light as I remember it used to be. I needed to test the theory, so I went out to my garage with an old phone book, about 1 1/2" thick, loaded one chamber and learned several things...One, the hammer stayed down on the cap, so the jam issue was cured, two, mods I did to the loading lever perch worked, and the lever stayed up, and three...1 1/2 inches of phone book is not enough to stop a .36 caliber ball at 10'. Went right through the book, and through the front of my 40+ year old Craftsman tool cabinet....

 

[Zonie]

Oops! :redface:

That's why I have to shake my head when I hear people say stupid things like, "You can't kill someone with a black powder pistol unless you just plain lucky." :shake:

 

[Mr. Troll]

I would have expected it with the .44s I have, but the .36?...I have read that the load I'm using equals a .380, so I guess I should have known better, too.

 

[M. De Land]

I don't know from experience as all I have killed with a round ball is a rabbit but have read that a round ball kills beyond all proportion to what it should when compared to a bullet.
Elmer Kieth said the same after his interviewing a civil war cavalry veteran who lived by his pistols in battle.
The bullets would penetrate more but the round balls killed better, man or horse.

 

[swathdiver]

I don't know from experience as all I have killed with a round ball is a rabbit but have read that a round ball kills beyond all proportion to what it should when compared to a bullet.
Elmer Kieth said the same after his interviewing a civil war cavalry veteran who lived by his pistols in battle.
The bullets would penetrate more but the round balls killed better, man or horse.

:thumbsup:

Right, the .380 has got nothing on the .36, it is far more powerful than the paper/computer screen ballistics suggest. The same is true with all muzzleloading calibers AFAIK.

 

[Mr. Troll]

I believe we are wandering off topic...I was surprised at the hole in the steel front of the took chest, but the extra hammer spring tension was what I was actually posting about...

 

[USMA65]

I will try your "solution", but I do not know just how to judge the results because as a result of one of your previous videos, I purchased a particular expensive aftermarket set of nipples, you know, those ones with the little holes on the side. They solved my problem then and perhaps this new trick will solve future problems as they arise :bow: