I think the discussion is about "baiting", not just "bait". It's also a legal term.
Baiting is the act of the hunter "placing bait" to attract the animal. Hunting in an orchard or bean field would not be "baiting".
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I think the discussion is about "baiting", not just "bait". It's also a legal term.
Baiting is the act of the hunter "placing bait" to attract the animal. Hunting in an orchard or bean field would not be "baiting".
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Hi Cayugad. You wrote, "In areas where there is a CWD problem baiting is not allowed. I find that strange because the DNR want the hunters to shoot every deer dead in those areas, yet will not allow them to bait the animals."
I just read an interesting artical on CWD. They pend several CWD possitive animals in a huge area. They let them stay there for a bit then removed them. The pen remained empty for a year. They found the CWD still active in the ground even after a year of nothing being in there.
I supposed they don't allow baiting in those CWD areas because the concentration of animals that may be exposed could pick up the CWD while feeding. Apparently just contacting each other is not the only way to get it.
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I just read an interesting artical on CWD. They pend several CWD possitive animals in a huge area. They let them stay there for a bit then removed them. The pen remained empty for a year. They found the CWD still active in the ground even after a year of nothing being in there.
I supposed they don't allow baiting in those CWD areas because the concentration of animals that may be exposed could pick up the CWD while feeding. Apparently just contacting each other is not the only way to get it.
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Really an interesting post gmww. If that's true, then the southern herd is in serious trouble. If one animal can leave traces of Cronic Waste Disease in the ground and possible exposure to other deer up to a year later, there is no hope for the herd.
My brother's place is right in the middle of the CWD area. In fact the first animal they recorded postive was only miles from his place. At night, on the edge of his woods behind the barn, with the aid of a spot light, it was nothing to see 50 or more eye balls in the fields (some times even more). Although, they have thinned the herd a lot. Out of those your saying if one of them had the disease (which is very probably), they could have left that in the field as the herd grazed? Even though no baiting took place, that would mean any other deer coming into contact with that same area a diseased deer was, could catch the disease even possibly up to a year later. Sounds like a loosing cause there.
Where did you find that study? It would be some interesting reading.
My brother's place is right in the middle of the CWD area. In fact the first animal they recorded postive was only miles from his place. At night, on the edge of his woods behind the barn, with the aid of a spot light, it was nothing to see 50 or more eye balls in the fields (some times even more). Although, they have thinned the herd a lot. Out of those your saying if one of them had the disease (which is very probably), they could have left that in the field as the herd grazed? Even though no baiting took place, that would mean any other deer coming into contact with that same area a diseased deer was, could catch the disease even possibly up to a year later. Sounds like a loosing cause there.
Where did you find that study? It would be some interesting reading.
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Its on one of the last couple of month hunting magazines. I'll have to check. I have so darm many. I never throw them out. Until yesteray of course. Geeze. I think I can find it though.
Here is one from the internet:
http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/soil53003.cfm
I tried to copy the address of another one but it goes back to the home site of the newspaper. Sorry if this is long but I cut and pasted the article.
Study shows prions stick around in certain soils
MADISON - Dirt may help scientists answer a question that has baffled them for decades: How does chronic wasting disease (CWD) in deer and elk spread from animal to animal?
By turning to the land, University of Wisconsin-Madison researchers show that prions - infectious proteins considered to be at the root of the disease - literally stick to some soil types, suggesting that the landscape may serve as an environmental reservoir for the disease.
The findings will be discussed during a poster presentation on Wednesday, Sept. 10, in New York City at the 226th national meeting of the American Chemical Society.
Extraordinarily resistant to a range of environmental conditions and decontamination measures, prions are abnormally folded proteins that can make an animal's brain as holey as a sponge. They've been implicated as the cause of diseases such as mad cow and scrapie in sheep.
Once infected, deer and elk, for example, experience a number of neurological and behavioral problems - staggering, shaking and excessive salivation, thirst and urination - until they waste away, many times dying in fields or woods. The disease is always fatal, and, to date, there is no cure.
Even though chronic wasting disease was first detected in free-ranging deer and elk in Colorado and Wyoming during the mid-1980s, it received a charge in scientific and public interest in February 2002, when the first evidence of the disease in Wisconsin appeared.
"The route by which CWD is transmitted from animal to animal is not understood," says Joel Pedersen, an environmental chemist and lead investigator on the soil study. "Strong circumstantial evidence suggests an environmental reservoir exists." Reports show, for instance, that healthy elk placed in pens where animals infected with CWD had once lived developed the fatal disease.
With funding from a recently awarded five-year, $2.4 million grant from the Department of Defense's National Prion Research Program, Pedersen and his colleagues are examining the ability of the infectious agent to associate with or be absorbed by certain soil particles.
"Soil is a candidate [as an environmental reservoir] because grazing animals ingest it both inadvertently, as part of feeding, and on purpose, as part of certain deer behaviors," explains Pedersen.
To begin to understand how the disease stays in the environment, Pedersen and his colleagues turned to sand and clay - common components found in soils. Because of differences in surface area and mineral composition, Pedersen says sand and clay represent different ends of the spectrum in the ability to absorb proteins.
From the study's results, the capacity of sand and clay to take up abnormally folded proteins, says the lead researcher, "differs dramatically."
Pedersen and his colleagues determined this by taking samples of sand and clay and adding infectious prions taken from hamsters, as well as a water-based solution representing one found naturally in soils. After removing the water and doing further analysis, they noticed that many of the prions in the sand mixture remained in the water solution, whereas those in the clay mixture stuck to the particles' surface.
"Almost all the prions in the clay mixture associated with the clay, not the water," says Pedersen, adding that this finding suggests that the movement of prions through the landscape depends on the soil environment.
Understanding how the infectious agent moves - or, in the case of soils with high clay concentrations, stays put - could lead to new information on disease transmission or techniques for managing CWD. For instance, Pedersen says, "If we decide to bury infected carcasses, a clay liner underneath the landfill may be a good idea."
But while clay soils may work to contain infection, they may also help spread it. Whereas prions in sandy soils either may wash away or travel deeper into the ground, says Pedersen, those in clay soils may remain near the surface. "Because the material may be more available for ingestion by animals," he explains, "the rate of infection may be greater."
Analyzing the absorption capacity of sand and clay is just the first step, says Pedersen. In addition to quantifying the ability of prions to bind to these two soil components, they'll consider other soil materials, additional soil minerals and organic matter. Also under way are studies to determine the degree to which prions in different soil types remain infectious.
"What we'll be getting at is if prions are more likely to persist in some environments," says Pedersen, adding that results from all these studies will help natural resource managers and other experts perform risk assessments for the spread of CWD and similar diseases across the landscape. "Understanding the role of soil in the spread of CWD is critical in designing and implementing effective disease strategies."
Here is one from the internet:
http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/soil53003.cfm
I tried to copy the address of another one but it goes back to the home site of the newspaper. Sorry if this is long but I cut and pasted the article.
Study shows prions stick around in certain soils
MADISON - Dirt may help scientists answer a question that has baffled them for decades: How does chronic wasting disease (CWD) in deer and elk spread from animal to animal?
By turning to the land, University of Wisconsin-Madison researchers show that prions - infectious proteins considered to be at the root of the disease - literally stick to some soil types, suggesting that the landscape may serve as an environmental reservoir for the disease.
The findings will be discussed during a poster presentation on Wednesday, Sept. 10, in New York City at the 226th national meeting of the American Chemical Society.
Extraordinarily resistant to a range of environmental conditions and decontamination measures, prions are abnormally folded proteins that can make an animal's brain as holey as a sponge. They've been implicated as the cause of diseases such as mad cow and scrapie in sheep.
Once infected, deer and elk, for example, experience a number of neurological and behavioral problems - staggering, shaking and excessive salivation, thirst and urination - until they waste away, many times dying in fields or woods. The disease is always fatal, and, to date, there is no cure.
Even though chronic wasting disease was first detected in free-ranging deer and elk in Colorado and Wyoming during the mid-1980s, it received a charge in scientific and public interest in February 2002, when the first evidence of the disease in Wisconsin appeared.
"The route by which CWD is transmitted from animal to animal is not understood," says Joel Pedersen, an environmental chemist and lead investigator on the soil study. "Strong circumstantial evidence suggests an environmental reservoir exists." Reports show, for instance, that healthy elk placed in pens where animals infected with CWD had once lived developed the fatal disease.
With funding from a recently awarded five-year, $2.4 million grant from the Department of Defense's National Prion Research Program, Pedersen and his colleagues are examining the ability of the infectious agent to associate with or be absorbed by certain soil particles.
"Soil is a candidate [as an environmental reservoir] because grazing animals ingest it both inadvertently, as part of feeding, and on purpose, as part of certain deer behaviors," explains Pedersen.
To begin to understand how the disease stays in the environment, Pedersen and his colleagues turned to sand and clay - common components found in soils. Because of differences in surface area and mineral composition, Pedersen says sand and clay represent different ends of the spectrum in the ability to absorb proteins.
From the study's results, the capacity of sand and clay to take up abnormally folded proteins, says the lead researcher, "differs dramatically."
Pedersen and his colleagues determined this by taking samples of sand and clay and adding infectious prions taken from hamsters, as well as a water-based solution representing one found naturally in soils. After removing the water and doing further analysis, they noticed that many of the prions in the sand mixture remained in the water solution, whereas those in the clay mixture stuck to the particles' surface.
"Almost all the prions in the clay mixture associated with the clay, not the water," says Pedersen, adding that this finding suggests that the movement of prions through the landscape depends on the soil environment.
Understanding how the infectious agent moves - or, in the case of soils with high clay concentrations, stays put - could lead to new information on disease transmission or techniques for managing CWD. For instance, Pedersen says, "If we decide to bury infected carcasses, a clay liner underneath the landfill may be a good idea."
But while clay soils may work to contain infection, they may also help spread it. Whereas prions in sandy soils either may wash away or travel deeper into the ground, says Pedersen, those in clay soils may remain near the surface. "Because the material may be more available for ingestion by animals," he explains, "the rate of infection may be greater."
Analyzing the absorption capacity of sand and clay is just the first step, says Pedersen. In addition to quantifying the ability of prions to bind to these two soil components, they'll consider other soil materials, additional soil minerals and organic matter. Also under way are studies to determine the degree to which prions in different soil types remain infectious.
"What we'll be getting at is if prions are more likely to persist in some environments," says Pedersen, adding that results from all these studies will help natural resource managers and other experts perform risk assessments for the spread of CWD and similar diseases across the landscape. "Understanding the role of soil in the spread of CWD is critical in designing and implementing effective disease strategies."
Guess I'm too old. I see "hunting" as something you do pretty much on your feet or hunkered behind a bush. You hunt where the deer are, be it at feeding spots in fields or meadows, at water holes or in the thick cover where they hole up in the afternoon.
"Harvesting" is sitting in a condo on stilts that's rigged better than Dan'l Boone's cabin was. You sit up in the sky and shoot over corn you hauled in prior to the harvest day.
Now, if my family or I are hungry, I'll bait 'em, trap 'em, net 'em or poach 'em. BTDT. In the 30's and 40's, I did that and more.
But I didn't think of it as "hunting," even then.
JMHO
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"Harvesting" is sitting in a condo on stilts that's rigged better than Dan'l Boone's cabin was. You sit up in the sky and shoot over corn you hauled in prior to the harvest day.
Now, if my family or I are hungry, I'll bait 'em, trap 'em, net 'em or poach 'em. BTDT. In the 30's and 40's, I did that and more.
But I didn't think of it as "hunting," even then.
JMHO
GrayBear
I grew up in Mississippi where I was taught to hunt deer in the woods. However, most "hunters" in MS I know hunt from shoothouses overlooking planted food plots. I am now stationed in Texas where baiting is legal and everyone does it. The funny thing is that all of my friends from MS make fun of the TX hunters for shooting deer over corn. This to me is quite ironic. I have never taken a deer over corn, but I would. I have shot deer out of foodplots, and they tasted great, but I would never brag about the size of the deer or what a great hunter I was by shooting it. My point is, I have no problem with people who bait deer as long at there are plenty to go around. But if you bait deer, you are not deer hunting, you are deer shooting, and even a 5 year old can do that. Just watch the hunting shows on TV.
Most people today miss the whole point of hunting. It has nothing to do with how big an animal you kill or how many. It is about enjoying the outdoors and the pride you feel when you have accomplished something that was difficult for you. My most prized trophy was not my biggest deer, it was the one I worked the hardest to get.
Most people today miss the whole point of hunting. It has nothing to do with how big an animal you kill or how many. It is about enjoying the outdoors and the pride you feel when you have accomplished something that was difficult for you. My most prized trophy was not my biggest deer, it was the one I worked the hardest to get.
You've just expressed what hunting still is to many of us. Thank you. :applause:
That's exactly why I now get the greatest satisfaction of a lifetime of deer hunting by taking a nice buck with a flintlock and plain old patched round ball.
Spent a lot of time over the decades progressing through the .30-30's, .30-06's, handguns, bows, inlines, sidelock percussions, and finally to flintlocks...
Spent a lot of time over the decades progressing through the .30-30's, .30-06's, handguns, bows, inlines, sidelock percussions, and finally to flintlocks...
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Roundball, I did the exact same thing...From "race guns" to flintlocks. Is that progression? Yep! IMHO it is.
Very good reading fellows. Very INTERESTING reading! I don't want to take from this topic, so please go on.
Respectfully, Russ
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My sentiments exactly......well said! :agree:
My sentiments exactly......well said! :agree:
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Here is my first Bait hunting story.
After hunting all my life on the west coast and rockies I thought Texas hunting would be interesting. I booked a hunt in the Texas Hill Country. It was June 29th. How hot can it get?
I arrived at the Ranch and early the next morning they took me out to a thing that looked like an outhouse. (It sort of looked familiar.) I asked what is that? I was told it was a blind. I asked if that was a barrel on stilts down there? I was told it was the feeder. I thought to myself they sure do things different here in the south. Figured maybe they didnt want a greenhorn walking in the snake and scorpion infested landscape getting lost. Never heard of baiting except with a hook.
I had no idea what I got myself into. It's kind of dark but I sit in the thing squinting at the feeder by myself. As the morning sun rises I see a couple of daddy long leg spider come into my outhouse. They are climbing up the outside and into the windows. First a couple then as it get hotter they start to swarm. I mean a swarm of 50,000 of them little b***ards everywhere. This is NOT an exaggeration.
I'm trying to swat them as they crest the open slits. The Alamo defenders come to mind. I'm outnumbered and killing them as the come over the wall. They do things large scale in Texas! A whole can of bug spray didn't affect them. I had a bug netting that I always use for mosquitos over my face.
I'm sweating bullets swatting spiders and by the time I get out of the outhouse its 115 degrees in the shade! I finally realized why I thought that blind looked familiar. I saw something similar to this on an old movie, Cool Hand Luke with Paul Newman. Wasn't that the thing they called a cooler?
I don't get the Outdoor Network but I'm sure this isn't the Condo blinds yall been reffering too. I must of checked into the NO TELL MOTEL.
Believe it or not the trip was fun. I ended up later in other Coolers..I mean binds away from vegetation. Seems them spider like vegetation and used the coolers to get out of the sun. If you decide to try hunting in Texas in a blind, don't go in JUNE/JULY!
:crackup:
After hunting all my life on the west coast and rockies I thought Texas hunting would be interesting. I booked a hunt in the Texas Hill Country. It was June 29th. How hot can it get?
I arrived at the Ranch and early the next morning they took me out to a thing that looked like an outhouse. (It sort of looked familiar.) I asked what is that? I was told it was a blind. I asked if that was a barrel on stilts down there? I was told it was the feeder. I thought to myself they sure do things different here in the south. Figured maybe they didnt want a greenhorn walking in the snake and scorpion infested landscape getting lost. Never heard of baiting except with a hook.
I had no idea what I got myself into. It's kind of dark but I sit in the thing squinting at the feeder by myself. As the morning sun rises I see a couple of daddy long leg spider come into my outhouse. They are climbing up the outside and into the windows. First a couple then as it get hotter they start to swarm. I mean a swarm of 50,000 of them little b***ards everywhere. This is NOT an exaggeration.
I'm trying to swat them as they crest the open slits. The Alamo defenders come to mind. I'm outnumbered and killing them as the come over the wall. They do things large scale in Texas! A whole can of bug spray didn't affect them. I had a bug netting that I always use for mosquitos over my face.
I'm sweating bullets swatting spiders and by the time I get out of the outhouse its 115 degrees in the shade! I finally realized why I thought that blind looked familiar. I saw something similar to this on an old movie, Cool Hand Luke with Paul Newman. Wasn't that the thing they called a cooler?
I don't get the Outdoor Network but I'm sure this isn't the Condo blinds yall been reffering too. I must of checked into the NO TELL MOTEL.
Believe it or not the trip was fun. I ended up later in other Coolers..I mean binds away from vegetation. Seems them spider like vegetation and used the coolers to get out of the sun. If you decide to try hunting in Texas in a blind, don't go in JUNE/JULY!
:crackup:
A couple points I'd like to make, if I may.
On the link about CWD. I noticed the link is to an organic foods website. Be very wary of information from the organic foods industry. They're notorious for using scare tactics to sell their products. Some of the things said by the organic foods industry is outright BS.
On ethics. I recently heard tell of someone who uses a Barrett .50BMG to hunt elk at 1,000 yards away. Now, to me, this is unethical. That's the kind of thing that the anti-hunters pick up on and use to paint us all with that broad brush. I mean, is filling that tag really THAT important? Oh, I heard it defended about marksmanship, the guy doing it is a former SOGSEALSFSOCOM Marine Recon ubercommando sniper with 19,991 dead Iraqis under his belt (he don't count them Afghanis) yada-yada, what difference does the gun make, yada-yada. Maybe, maybe not. But we all know what the antis would make of it. The headlines would read: "Anti-Tank Rifle Used to Kill Elk". The next day, the state legislature would be meeting to discuss banning hunting under pressure from all kinds of groups. There comes a point when "hunters" have become such consumers of various products from rangefinders, to Scent-Schlock suits, to game feeders, to remote camera rigs, that the whole experience of hunting is being lost. It's more like a military operation than hunting. I don't know, I guess I'm getting crotchety or sentimental or both in my quickening slide towards 40. I just think that if I had to buy a bunch of expensive gear to hunt with, I'd find something else to do. Or I'd just cut out the middle man and flush the money down the toilet. For that cash some guys lay out, I could buy a bunch of prime rib. Give me a rifle or shotgun and ammo and a sack lunch. I will make meat. Might just be rabbit. But it'll be good!
On the link about CWD. I noticed the link is to an organic foods website. Be very wary of information from the organic foods industry. They're notorious for using scare tactics to sell their products. Some of the things said by the organic foods industry is outright BS.
On ethics. I recently heard tell of someone who uses a Barrett .50BMG to hunt elk at 1,000 yards away. Now, to me, this is unethical. That's the kind of thing that the anti-hunters pick up on and use to paint us all with that broad brush. I mean, is filling that tag really THAT important? Oh, I heard it defended about marksmanship, the guy doing it is a former SOGSEALSFSOCOM Marine Recon ubercommando sniper with 19,991 dead Iraqis under his belt (he don't count them Afghanis) yada-yada, what difference does the gun make, yada-yada. Maybe, maybe not. But we all know what the antis would make of it. The headlines would read: "Anti-Tank Rifle Used to Kill Elk". The next day, the state legislature would be meeting to discuss banning hunting under pressure from all kinds of groups. There comes a point when "hunters" have become such consumers of various products from rangefinders, to Scent-Schlock suits, to game feeders, to remote camera rigs, that the whole experience of hunting is being lost. It's more like a military operation than hunting. I don't know, I guess I'm getting crotchety or sentimental or both in my quickening slide towards 40. I just think that if I had to buy a bunch of expensive gear to hunt with, I'd find something else to do. Or I'd just cut out the middle man and flush the money down the toilet. For that cash some guys lay out, I could buy a bunch of prime rib. Give me a rifle or shotgun and ammo and a sack lunch. I will make meat. Might just be rabbit. But it'll be good!
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I feel the same way roundball. For me its 100% the hunt, not the kill.
I want the challenge, I want to get as close to the animal as possible down on their level.
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I want the challenge, I want to get as close to the animal as possible down on their level.
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IMO, page 112 in the current issue of Deer & Deer Hunting magazine sums up where mainstream modern hunting is:
Two perfectly equipped, perfectly camo-clothed hunters standing in the woods wearing surgical gloves and using eyedroppers to apply drops of scent to some cotton filled canisters tied to tree branches...and you know the laser range finders and motion / heat dectectors are hanging on their belts, etc...
It's a long, long way from red & black plaid hunting shirts, learning about deer, their habits, reading sign, what & where they eat, how & when they travel to do that, when & where they bed, etc, etc, etc.
How silly we were to waste all that time...all we have to do to be a hunter is drop some scent on a branch, hang a claymore on the limb with an infrared trip sensor that will also take a flash photo of the deer when it blows up !!!
Two perfectly equipped, perfectly camo-clothed hunters standing in the woods wearing surgical gloves and using eyedroppers to apply drops of scent to some cotton filled canisters tied to tree branches...and you know the laser range finders and motion / heat dectectors are hanging on their belts, etc...
It's a long, long way from red & black plaid hunting shirts, learning about deer, their habits, reading sign, what & where they eat, how & when they travel to do that, when & where they bed, etc, etc, etc.
How silly we were to waste all that time...all we have to do to be a hunter is drop some scent on a branch, hang a claymore on the limb with an infrared trip sensor that will also take a flash photo of the deer when it blows up !!!
Yup...you're preachin' to the choir as the old saying goes...even a few hours in the woods hanging a treestand is an enjoyable part of the whole experience for me...thinking back about past deer taken at that creek crossing, etc...
Raven, I agree that this might lead to bad propaganda, but I am OK with anything they want to do, long as I am not the target! They WILL call it a anti-tank gun, too, though it has been a long time since a tank was knocked out? with a 50, impressive as a M2 is! Remember them waving that street sweeper around!
Now to whether it is hunting? At a mile, or so I'd says so. Even these "super guns" require great markmanship at the ranges touted.
Some guys feel this way about those huge bench guns needing a winch to position them so they can punch paper! I say, you're welcome to your opinion, and this is the place to share it with us all. As long as a fellow is pulling some kind of trigger I'm going to congratulate him on his shot and hope he supports the 2nd amendment! But I would suggest to him, now that you prompted me, that he avoid the publicity! I'll bet he would agree, avoid the press and shoot to his hearts content! Those that brag on their kills probably didn't hear a shot from Iraqi's or Japanese or redcoats. Pullin' the trigger on a human critter is seldom bragged about by anyone who had to do so! Never thought much of criticizing a veteran but saw decades ago how little one learns re guns generally in the service! I knew a master armorer who didn't know how to "load" anything but those weapons used when he served! He took that colorado gunsmith course and is now butchering guns at exhorbitant prices! Can't blame it on the army, though!
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Now to whether it is hunting? At a mile, or so I'd says so. Even these "super guns" require great markmanship at the ranges touted.
Some guys feel this way about those huge bench guns needing a winch to position them so they can punch paper! I say, you're welcome to your opinion, and this is the place to share it with us all. As long as a fellow is pulling some kind of trigger I'm going to congratulate him on his shot and hope he supports the 2nd amendment! But I would suggest to him, now that you prompted me, that he avoid the publicity! I'll bet he would agree, avoid the press and shoot to his hearts content! Those that brag on their kills probably didn't hear a shot from Iraqi's or Japanese or redcoats. Pullin' the trigger on a human critter is seldom bragged about by anyone who had to do so! Never thought much of criticizing a veteran but saw decades ago how little one learns re guns generally in the service! I knew a master armorer who didn't know how to "load" anything but those weapons used when he served! He took that colorado gunsmith course and is now butchering guns at exhorbitant prices! Can't blame it on the army, though!
:imo:
Madstone, I'm a strident 2nd Amendment supporter and NRA member. But I am not OK with anything someone wants to do and call "hunting". There are parameters that should be followed. Ethics, sportsmanship, stewardship, safety. I don't want to take a .50BMG bullet while I'm hunting because some clown 1,000 yards away didn't see me. That weapon requires a solid backstop. In my opinion, hunting is not an "anything goes" undertaking. I've already had way too many bullets whiz by me from some idiot not watching what he's doing. I hope everyone supports the 2nd Amendment. But owning a gun doesn't give someone a blank check for behavior. They need to be safe and considerate of others. It's these slob hunters and slob shooters that are ruining it for the rest of us. If a person feels he has to bag an animal at all costs, that hoss better be starving, in my honest opinion, to justify that. I'm very opinionated, I admit. But if we're at a point where taking .50BMGs out for hunting is called "hunting", I'm going to start calling myself a woodsman or something besides "hunter". Myself, I would be ashamed at using a .50BMG to shoot any animal with.
In the army, there is no such MOS as "master armorer". That guy was pulling your leg. There is unit armorer, which is basically a supply clerk who's allowed very minor repair of weapons. Then there is small arms repairman, who does most of the repairs on the weapons. I know, because I was a small arms repairman.
In the army, there is no such MOS as "master armorer". That guy was pulling your leg. There is unit armorer, which is basically a supply clerk who's allowed very minor repair of weapons. Then there is small arms repairman, who does most of the repairs on the weapons. I know, because I was a small arms repairman.
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I'll agree the there are those that have an agenda to make CWD over blown. I'm just the messanger. I still can't find the artical I read in one of my many hunting magazines which gave the similar study on CWD information.
If you type "CWD in soil" in a search engine you will find several articals from different organizations quoting the presentation made in New York.
The first link was to an artical I found just searching. The second link would not work. I cut and pasted the second artical which came from a Wyoming newspaper.
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