I ran across a wood plaqe with the ace of hearts and spades with hole shot near center from 30-35 yds off a rest,the other two aces look the same hole wise but I could not find them. I have not see these for many years, we used to shoot three times a week and these cards were shot with a CVA Kentucky .45 50 gr 3f .018 patch as I recall. Sometime those old imports can shoot pretty well.I shot four different targets so as not to blow out the center of the target.