I was at the range the other day and a new member to the club was there shooting a 62 cal. fowler- He was finishing up when I got there (I guess he thought we were going to break out the modern pee-shooters and chase him off(on the pistol range) so I didn't really get to talk to him about the last shot I observed. He primmed the pan, then loaded the main charge, wad, shot and let the last shot go. I didn't really realize at the time but I thought about it after he left because it struck me weird. I don't know if this was his normal routine or a rushed last shot. By the way I told him I was there with a few smoke poles as-well-as some modern guns, but I felt like he was running out of there. Oh well I hope to run across him again but it was on a Friday. I usually don't have Fridays off but the floods down here in Georgia put the hex on working all last week. What do you think?
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Does it bad to prime first then main charge?
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not me! I don't prime till I'm on the firing line...I think that would be unsafe...fact is I know it is! and if I was there and he was there,,I'd tell him.. :wink:
Stay away from that guy!
Why would anyone put themselves and others at such risk?
I have heard of discharges without the pan being primed. my hammer is never cocked while loading-
Do not follow that mans example!
load barrel first prime last. Be safe.....
Why would anyone put themselves and others at such risk?
I have heard of discharges without the pan being primed. my hammer is never cocked while loading-
Do not follow that mans example!
load barrel first prime last. Be safe.....
Yea, I got to thinking about it and remembered the pan was primed when he had his hands and such over the muzzle. It might of been the last (distracted) shot of the day for him. I have always primed (or capped---I know--it's a dirty word in this section---sorry) a few seconds before I shoot. I'll be sure to talk with him the next time I see him and find out his loading procedure.
That used to be the sequence when loading with a paper cartridge: bite off the end, prime and the rest goes in as the main charge.
In a range situation, however, that means as soon as the main charge and ball goes in you're dealing with a primed and loaded gun and it should only be pointed downrange from that instant on - making it difficukt to seat the ball. :wink:
In a range situation, however, that means as soon as the main charge and ball goes in you're dealing with a primed and loaded gun and it should only be pointed downrange from that instant on - making it difficukt to seat the ball. :wink:
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I met a man who loaded like that, he las 1/2 of his right hand left. :shake:
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200 years ago yes the Military did this but theres no need for us due to a safty factor today.
I am stupid!!! IS it bad to...
Anyway,
You know, I could kind of answer my own question, Many years ago I cussed a guy for loading his revolver cylinders on a bench tool and capping them while on the bench and in his hand, He got extremely mad at me for telling him what to do and he told me to mind my own business. My response was something like "It is my business if one or more of those balls end up in my hide. Long story short, he loaded up all of his stuff and left. I found out a while after that he told the club officers that we had "idiots" as members that were "paranoid". We have a private club but the new members are sponsored by friends and with the exception of the one fellow I sponsored, I rarely see these new members before they are new members. javascript:void(0):hmm:
Oh well, I will just have to make my millions on widgets and purchase a chunk of land for my future "PRIVATE" range.
Anyway,
You know, I could kind of answer my own question, Many years ago I cussed a guy for loading his revolver cylinders on a bench tool and capping them while on the bench and in his hand, He got extremely mad at me for telling him what to do and he told me to mind my own business. My response was something like "It is my business if one or more of those balls end up in my hide. Long story short, he loaded up all of his stuff and left. I found out a while after that he told the club officers that we had "idiots" as members that were "paranoid". We have a private club but the new members are sponsored by friends and with the exception of the one fellow I sponsored, I rarely see these new members before they are new members. javascript:void(0):hmm:
Oh well, I will just have to make my millions on widgets and purchase a chunk of land for my future "PRIVATE" range.
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you takin orders?? :haha:JJB22 said:
I am not pulling your leg. I have seen a few eyebrow raisers in my 40 or so years of pulling a trigger. I used to shoot every Saturday at a public range. One guy lost the tip of his left pointing finger to a 454 casual, another fellow shot the bring edge of his hat with a 22 rifle. I saw a fellow tell another fellow it was cool to rack a lever action, thumb down the hammer while the rifle lay across his lap and 8-10 guy in the line of the muzzle to the $*@()@* 's left. My shooting pal was telling a fool that folks were downrange and not to hold his 1911, to show my buddy it wasn't "loaded" he pulled the trigger and bam, a 45 hit the railroad tie in front of him while folk were down range. I saw a fellow a gravel pit shooting his rifle off the bed of his truck and he put a nice vent hole in the top of the tailgate. I guy that I hunted with when I was in my twenties decided it would be a good idea to go deer hunting in NY and wear carhartt bids with a crappy orange construction vest, well that ended up badly due to an out of towner shot at brown in a thicket. Outcome= two nicely shot knees. (I was not hunting with that fella that year--or any future years as it were). My uncle once fell out of his tree stand (fell asleep), well he was drinking out of a straw for 8 weeks or so.
Now for me-- Well---- I have to admit that I sliced my fingers with a broadhead while telling a pal that they are sharp. I once was trying to get a small piece of wood through the table saw and manage to just touch the finger on the blade when the wood cocked on the fence (oh and the best part was I was showing someone how to use the table saw). I have lost about 40 percent of my hearing due to not worrying about loud noises from machinery at work or wearing the walkman while mowing the lawn--you know turn it up loud enough to drown out the mower. And the the kicker for my stupidity, I thought I would clean off my dirty hands with the ol pressure washer--- well I found out the hard way that water can slice you like a knife. Got that scare right here on the left palm. So yea, I have seen and done a few stupid things over the years. The safest that I have and continue to be, is shooting and reloading. Knock on wood; I, have always minded my P's and Q's.
Now for me-- Well---- I have to admit that I sliced my fingers with a broadhead while telling a pal that they are sharp. I once was trying to get a small piece of wood through the table saw and manage to just touch the finger on the blade when the wood cocked on the fence (oh and the best part was I was showing someone how to use the table saw). I have lost about 40 percent of my hearing due to not worrying about loud noises from machinery at work or wearing the walkman while mowing the lawn--you know turn it up loud enough to drown out the mower. And the the kicker for my stupidity, I thought I would clean off my dirty hands with the ol pressure washer--- well I found out the hard way that water can slice you like a knife. Got that scare right here on the left palm. So yea, I have seen and done a few stupid things over the years. The safest that I have and continue to be, is shooting and reloading. Knock on wood; I, have always minded my P's and Q's.
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I'm on the BOD of a private range here. When I observe something that goes against the range rules or just doesn't seem safe I will talk to that person. I'm always polite and let them know that it's my job to see that the range is a safe place for everybody. The only guy that too offense was offended that he couldn't smoke cigarettes at the range so he left. Mostly people are Ok with it. GW
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Ron T. said:
Actually this was standard procedure when armys faced themselves with muskets. I'm not an reanactor but to reinact realistically they would prime the pan then send the charge home. The charge today would be paper wadding not a ball. A reanactor can tell you more than I can on how it is done today but at one time a long time ago, the military did prime first.
a matchlock Musket Drill would be like this:
1. Put six balls in your mouths (from Polish historical sources)
2. Light your match
3. Prime
4. close Priming pan
5. Load
6. Musket on fork
7. put the match in Jaws
8. open priming pan
9. fire
This is how it is done on re-enactments today in Poland (except the lead balls of course)
Same was done in England even during the Napoleonic wars - priming was part of the pre-loading sequence
Main reason for this would be the fact that priming wasnt done from a horn but from the paper charge (or bandolier apostle) - part of the powder from the charge was put on the priming pan then the rest into the muzzle
1. Put six balls in your mouths (from Polish historical sources)
2. Light your match
3. Prime
4. close Priming pan
5. Load
6. Musket on fork
7. put the match in Jaws
8. open priming pan
9. fire
This is how it is done on re-enactments today in Poland (except the lead balls of course)
Same was done in England even during the Napoleonic wars - priming was part of the pre-loading sequence
Main reason for this would be the fact that priming wasnt done from a horn but from the paper charge (or bandolier apostle) - part of the powder from the charge was put on the priming pan then the rest into the muzzle
Geeessssshhhhh...
Swampy said:
That's close, but nothing goes down the barrel at reenactments except the powder. Process is:
1. Pull paper cartridge out of box
2. Tear off top of cartridge with teeth
3. Place cock into half-cock position and prime the pan
4. Close pan and pour rest of powder down the barrel
5. Throw empty cartridge on the ground. At no time does the ramrod come out of the pipes nor is the paper rammed down on top of the charge.
6. Shoulder arms and wait for orders to "make ready" - "present" (or "take aim") - fire!
Twisted_1in66 :thumbsup:
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Have you considered the idea that the reason the man was leaving in such a hurry when you arrived, is that HE KNEW what he was doing is unsafe, and wanted to get out of there before someone called him on it? If it was also a violation of range rules, he might have wanted to leave before someone reported him to the club owners to have his membership canceled.
This is not just about keeping other shooters safe. Its about keeping that knucklehead safe too. Shooting Ranges are Big TARGETS( pardon the pun) for lawsuits, and no Range carries enough insurance to be able to pay the kind of claims arising out of firearm accidents on a range. That is why most ranges either have paid Range Officers present, or their rules require that when 2 or more shooters are present, One of them MUST act as the Range officer for the others.
My brother belongs to a club that requires all members to take training in Range Officer duties, before they can shoot on the range alone. They all rotate the duty of range officer, so that everyone gets to shoot during the day, some time.
I have seen several UNSAFE shooters leave clubs over the years, when they have been admonished or sanctioned for their unsafe practices. We lost members from my club when we imposed a " NO Drinking of Alcoholic Beverages during shooting times", and we lost a smoker who didn't like being told he couldn't smoke at the loading benches, or on the firing line. We lost others for dangerous loading and shooting practices, with the usual--" I have done this all my life and you can't tell me what to do!--blah--blah--blah.
SUGGESTED RESPONSE: No, but we can tell you not to shoot at our club range! Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
The reason for tight safety rules is to protect everyone, and to protect the club from lawsuits, so that everyone has a place to shoot. Its pretty obvious to members here, from the questions we get on the forum from new members, every month, that finding a place to shoot is a serious problem these days. :hmm:
This is not just about keeping other shooters safe. Its about keeping that knucklehead safe too. Shooting Ranges are Big TARGETS( pardon the pun) for lawsuits, and no Range carries enough insurance to be able to pay the kind of claims arising out of firearm accidents on a range. That is why most ranges either have paid Range Officers present, or their rules require that when 2 or more shooters are present, One of them MUST act as the Range officer for the others.
My brother belongs to a club that requires all members to take training in Range Officer duties, before they can shoot on the range alone. They all rotate the duty of range officer, so that everyone gets to shoot during the day, some time.
I have seen several UNSAFE shooters leave clubs over the years, when they have been admonished or sanctioned for their unsafe practices. We lost members from my club when we imposed a " NO Drinking of Alcoholic Beverages during shooting times", and we lost a smoker who didn't like being told he couldn't smoke at the loading benches, or on the firing line. We lost others for dangerous loading and shooting practices, with the usual--" I have done this all my life and you can't tell me what to do!--blah--blah--blah.
SUGGESTED RESPONSE: No, but we can tell you not to shoot at our club range! Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
The reason for tight safety rules is to protect everyone, and to protect the club from lawsuits, so that everyone has a place to shoot. Its pretty obvious to members here, from the questions we get on the forum from new members, every month, that finding a place to shoot is a serious problem these days. :hmm:
