For anyone considering an Indian manufactured Flintlock

[sturmkatze]

We’re all farby at some point
I’m less farby then thou is an attitude that just drives people away from the sport
You should be proud of your guns
But don’t look down your nose at others

Exactly so!

 

[sturmkatze]

If some want an Indian gun with a little elbow grease put into it why not?

Because some folks want to criticize and need someone to sneer at. Like in any hobby.

 

[sturmkatze]

Not trying to speak for someone else but the point he was making that if he doesn’t know he asks, he doesn’t just throw conjecture and assumptions out there like …. A regular person coudln't pick out an original Bess from a line up of 10 Indian repro’s.

Also exactly. What I like about Dave Persons and yourself, is that you are willing and try to help others. That is one of the best parts of the hobby.

 

[sturmkatze]

Also, I have the instructions a friend gave me on how to make a 1728 India gun more accurate. He did an excellent job on his.

maybe sharing those would help someone. That kind of thing is great for the hobby.

 

[FlinterNick]

OK, so Italy and India are both lacking. What we need is an effort from...CHINA!

maybe sharing those would help someone. That kind of thing is great for the hobby.

A 1728 French musket is actually a rather easy kit to build.

For all of the work and effort put into defarbing and Indian gun you might as well invest in the real thing. Shaping the barrel flats (which i would not do) stock shaping, barrel band cutting and welding, lock defarbing… you’re looking at 60-80 hours of research and work.

There are also plenty of sources for parts on making a kind of marine greandiers fusil which is a slightly slimmer 1728 using an L&R tulle lock.

Many folks think defarbs are the cheap easy and efficient way out… however good luck finding someone to do it for you now, i. Know many in the muzzle loading communizing have stopped that work completely. I won’t do it anymore, complete waste of money and time.

 

[sturmkatze]

Many folks think defarbs are the cheap easy and efficient way out… however good luck finding someone to do it for you now, i. Know many in the muzzle loading communizing have stopped that work completely. I won’t do it anymore, complete waste of money and time.

Lots of guys just can’t build a RS kit. And many just don’t have that kind of time.

Something that would be nice is a way to get better parts to update one’s current gun. You said that the rs stuff is too big for a pedersoli Bess. What can one do?

I know Ethan from 11 Bang Bang uses RS parts on his Indian Charlesville. Would that help for an Indian Bess?

 

[Zapadach]

And there cost is?
11Bang Bang channel on you tube discussed this. They were able to get into the sport via Indian arms. They would have never had the cash to go with better, or at least unwilling to lay it out on a sport they may not like
My one Indian gun makes me happy, I could never justify in my economic situation a similar gun from the rifle shop.

My one Indian musket I like very much. It is a 1795 Springfield and it is simply beautiful. All I have done to it is refinish the stock and antique the barrel and the hardware. It took a very short time to do what I did to the gun, and cost very little money accomplish. I used left over chemicals from other projects. The fit of metal to the stock is very good, and it shoots just fine.

I wonder how big was your "sample" to come to such conclusions?

I've owned five, all from Loyalist Arms LLC, and still own and operate four of them. Two carbines, a trade gun, and a 1756 Bess. I don't see a reason to drop more than $1500 for an Italian made musket that would NEVER have been used by whom I portray at a living history event. Excellent wood to metal fit doesn't do much for something that did not exist yet. I did get a deal on a Bess that new would've been $1800 having had $300 worth of additional parts changes to make it look more like the Bess of the time period, a Long Land Bess. I got it used.

The only firing problems I've ever had with the India made product (mine were made in Udaipur) have bee remedied with replacing the flint.

LD

I wonder how big was your "sample" to come to such conclusions?

I've owned five, all from Loyalist Arms LLC, and still own and operate four of them. Two carbines, a trade gun, and a 1756 Bess. I don't see a reason to drop more than $1500 for an Italian made musket that would NEVER have been used by whom I portray at a living history event. Excellent wood to metal fit doesn't do much for something that did not exist yet. I did get a deal on a Bess that new would've been $1800 having had $300 worth of additional parts changes to make it look more like the Bess of the time period, a Long Land Bess. I got it used.

The only firing problems I've ever had with the India made product (mine were made in Udaipur) have bee remedied with replacing the flint.

LD

 

[FlinterNick]

Lots of guys just can’t build a RS kit. And many just don’t have that kind of time.

Something that would be nice is a way to get better parts to update one’s current gun. You said that the rs stuff is too big for a pedersoli Bess. What can one do?

I know Ethan from 11 Bang Bang uses RS parts on his Indian Charlesville. Would that help for an Indian Bess?

Ethan’s moved on from Indian guns….

 

[FlinterNick]

Lots of guys just can’t build a RS kit. And many just don’t have that kind of time.

Something that would be nice is a way to get better parts to update one’s current gun. You said that the rs stuff is too big for a pedersoli Bess. What can one do?

I know Ethan from 11 Bang Bang uses RS parts on his Indian Charlesville. Would that help for an Indian Bess?

If you can defarb an Indian made 1728 then you could build your own 1728 form a kilt, the only real complication is the lock assembly and there are plenty of folks who assemble them.

What can one do do? Save your pennies for what your really want, or settle for joan rivers.

 

[sturmkatze]

Ethan’s moved on from Indian guns….

Oh, I’ve seen his other stuff. But again, not everyone can RS kits. There has to be a happy medium.

 

[sturmkatze]

What can one do do? Save your pennies for what your really want, or settle for joan rivers.

You know my thoughts… this is not a gun I was issued. It’s bad enough that I have $800 in MY pedersoli. I’d flip out to mess up a dead-on balls accurate one.

Where do you draw the line? I can see both sides. It’s a hobby. Hobbies are supposed to be fun. If it’s not fun, why do it? I’m not all in on total hand-stitching either — I can’t see it unless I’m holding it in my hands with reading glasses on… except for button holes… you can see that.

Are we checking underwear? I’m wearing micro fiber glasses? Socks? You can see where I’m going. If the gun is your focus, do the gun. A lot of revwar people I’ve met have never fired live. To them, it’s a prop.