H2O2-- Never again!

[robert reed]

OK MacRob, I'll bite!
What is this miracle cleaner?

 

[coloradoclyde]

If you look up hydrogen peroxide, you'll find its listed as an oxidizer and corrosive.

So is water ....only not as strong.
We are only using a 3% solution and we are diluting it 2/3 with other chemicals.

The thing is hydrogen peroxide is a better reducing agent in acidic solutions than water. It' the acid formed from shooting BP that corrode your gun.
Chemistry 101

 

[George]

It' the acid formed from shooting BP that corrode your gun.
Chemistry 101

Maybe we need some PMS”¦Peroxide + Murphy's + Soda. :grin:

Spence

 

[Dewey]

Water is rather weak as an oxidizing or as a reducing agent, so there are not many substances which reduce or oxidize it. Thus it makes a good solvent for redox reactions. It is the substances dissolved in water (to include oxygen) that cause rust - not pure deoxygenated water itself.

The rusting reaction is initiated by oxygen through an electrochemical process, in which electrons are being transferred from iron to oxygen gas, a reaction catalyzed by electrolytes, such as the salts produced in the black powder reactions. Then, ionized oxygen gas reacts with water to create hydroxide ions. The second step is represented by the actual reaction between iron(II) and (III) with hydroxide, which results in hydrogen and iron(II) and (III) hydroxides, that will dissociate through dehydration into iron (III) oxide (or, as we call it, rust).

Hydrogen peroxide, on the other hand) is a strong oxidizer, especially in acid solutions as you said.

Chemistry 333, LOL.

 

[coloradoclyde]

:rotf: funny Spence...that would explain a lot.
I made a mistake ...I'm waiting to see who finds it.

Hey did you know there are 40 different names for hydrogen peroxide. :shocked2: last I knew there were only 14 for monosodium glutamate that industry uses to trick people into not knowing what they are using or consuming.

 

[Dewey]

A reducing agent is itself oxidized.

Not easily done for hydrogen peroxide, which is an oxidizing agent (it gives up oxygen ... and gains electrons ... and is reduced).

 

[Dewey]

Hey did you know there are 40 different names for hydrogen peroxide. :shocked2:

Not by IUPAC nomenclature.

 

[Jim C]

Ditto!

 

[coloradoclyde]

Hey did you know there are 40 different names for hydrogen peroxide. :shocked2:

Not by IUPAC nomenclature.

Trade names etc. from NIH-NLM-NCBI

 

[coloradoclyde]

1.hydrogen peroxide
2.oxydol
3.perhydrol
4.Superoxol 5.hydroperoxide
6.Inhibine
7.Interox
8.Kastone
9.Peroxaan
10.Albone

11.Hioxyl
12.7722-84-1
13.Albone 35
14.Hydrogen dioxide
15.Albone DS
16.Dihydrogen dioxide
17.T-Stuff
18.Elawox
19.Lensept
20.Perone

21.Albone 35CG
22.Albone 50
23.Albone 50CG
24.Albone 70
25.Albone 70CG
26.Perone 50
27.Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2)
28.H2O2
29.Peroxan 30.Peroxide

31.Hydrogen dioxide solution
32.Hydrogen peroxide, 90%
33.Hydrogen peroxide, solution
34.Perone 30
35.Perone 35
36.dioxidane
37.Asepticper
38.Baquashock 39.Crystacide
40.Peroxclean

 

[coloradoclyde]

Also for those who didn't already know this....
Hydrogen peroxide is used to treat municipal drinking water. :rotf:

 

[MacRob46]

OK MacRob, I'll bite!
What is this miracle cleaner?

It is posted elsewhere in this thread but here it is again:

I have used it for 26 years with never a bit of rust. You have to dry the bore thoroughly then liberally oil it after cleaning. You certainly should not have instant formation of rust. I use two parts denatured alcohol, two parts Murphy's Oil Soap and two parts peroxide. Maybe your mixture is the problem. I also plug the barrel with my thumb, touch hole with a toothpick and slosh the solution around a bit. It seldom stays in the barrel longer than 30 seconds. Second application if needed.

 

[The O'Dea]

- Lads,
Please, ease off on those big words. You are giving this child a head ache :surrender:
One thing that I failed to mention, back in '68 when I opened my ML shop out in California,; a friend and I purchased fifty(50) gals. of Whale Oil. Of which I still have a few qts. That is the best stuff for keepin your bbl. rust free. That, and then living in a state that has very low humidity. I see most of you live back in the states. I hear that it is humid back there.

-The Irish Mick
Arizona Territory

 

[Dewey]

Also for those who didn't already know this....
Hydrogen peroxide is used to treat municipal drinking water. :rotf:

Yeah ... so it can OXIDIZE contaminants !!!

BTW, the reason CHEMISTS (via the formation of IUPAC) created an organized accepted nomenclature system is to avoid having tons of common names for a substance. Industry sometimes doesn't get it.


OK, Mick ... I'll save my lectures for my chemistry classes.

I STILL feel that peroxide falls somewhere between bad and worthless (depending on your mixture formulation) in cleaning muzzleloaders.

I'll just use dihydrogen oxide, Murphy's and 2-propanol (in equal parts), myself.

 

[coloradoclyde]

Chlorine in water ends up having a residual concentration....I wonder what the residual concentration is for peroxide in municipal water? :hmm:
Funny if it was the same as what our MAP solutions are.

 

[coloradoclyde]

BTW, the reason CHEMISTS (via the formation of IUPAC) created an organized accepted nomenclature system is to avoid having tons of common names for a substance. Industry sometimes doesn't get it.

Oh...They get it selling people dihydrogen monoxied as a green cleaning agent, miracle solvent, or health cure = big $$$$
Also NIH looks for all the names industry uses so they can figure out what chemical is killing people.

Here's food for thought.
If I put peroxide in a bottle and add murphy's.....it bubbles releasing O2...then I add alcohol and it bubbles Releasing more O2 then I shake it releasing More O2.
How much oxidizing power do I have left?

 

[Dewey]

Chlorine in water ends up having a residual concentration....I wonder what the residual concentration is for peroxide in municipal water? :hmm:
Funny if it was the same as what our MAP solutions are.

Where used, H2O2 is put in to the 25-30 parts per million level.

Most of which is reduced to water (doing it's job).

A 1:1:1 mix of MAP is 1%, or 10,000 ppm !!!

 

[Dewey]

Here's food for thought.
If I put peroxide in a bottle and add murphy's.....it bubbles releasing O2...then I add alcohol and it bubbles Releasing more O2 then I shake it releasing More O2.
How much oxidizing power do I have left?

Uncertain ... but enough to cause rust, QED (by the original poster!).

 

[coloradoclyde]

It's never caused any rust for me .....so I'm betting on another variable.

 

[Dewey]

It's never caused any rust for me .....so I'm betting on another variable.

Could be any soak time that is allowed?

I don't let even my non-peroxide cleaning solution (MAW or MW) soak - I push it in and out of the barrel from a bucket using a cleaning patch/jag a few times, switch to hot water and rinse the same way, then immediately dry and oil.