H2O2-- Never again!

[Dewey]

What experiences have others had with H2O2?

I use H2O2 regularly when cleaning my ml guns. I once posted a test I did with a hunk of ml barrel and H2O2. Nothing, meaning NOTHING happened to the barrel.
I know what industrial strength H2O2 can do to steel and it ain't pretty. :shake:
But, the stuff you get at the drug store is much weaker. It cleans gunk from crevices very well and, in my experience, is safe to use in your ml rifles.

Try your test again with a dirty barrel, and I bet your results will be different ... the salts are needed for corrosion to proceed. The peroxide would just serve as a convent source of extra oxygen, speeding rust formation up, IMHO.

 

[coloradoclyde]

Could be any soak time that is allowed?

I don't let even my non-peroxide cleaning solution (MAW or MW) soak - I push it in and out of the barrel from a bucket using a cleaning patch/jag a few times, switch to hot water and rinse the same way, then immediately dry and oil

We agree on that part. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[Dane]

Water is STILL the universal solvent, and I know what it will do!
And basically it's free and easy to get.
Ok, I do have to pay my water bill, so not free.

 

[Zonie]

Well, I know Hydrogen Peroxide must be good because it costs a lot more than distilled water.

Of course, if putting it into Murphy's Soap causes it to lose its extra oxygen and then adding alcohol causes it to lose more of its extra oxygen, why not save some money and just buy a gallon of distilled water and be done with it? :hmm:

 

[coloradoclyde]

My bottle is getting empty...perhaps I will try distilled for my next batch to compare :thumbsup:

 

[TFoley]

After several decades of effective hot soapy water bore cleaning, I've never felt it necessary to use any other 'witches brews'.

This.

tac

 

[Captjoel]

An old Coot I used to shoot with told me about his magic bore cleaning elixir. Starting with 3 fingers of Johnny Walker Black, a dab of dish soap, and plain ole well water. I told him that the Johnny Walker was a bit too rich for my pocket book. He started laughing a real cackling with kind of an evil twist. Said the scotch was put down the hatch after the barrel cleaning was done! When it comes to MAP cleaner, I can only say from my own experience, Once used to use it. I saw the stock finish melt off of an old original jaeger I had cleaned with it. Took the area of contact with the stock right down to bare wood. NEVER AGAIN!! If you do a search over on that other longrifle website, type in MAP cleaning solvent. There you will see what the late Don Getz (barrel maker) had to say about the stuff. He had to replace several of his fine barrels in some very fine rifles over the years. Barrels that were cleaned with MAP and so badly eaten away and pitted they were junk.

 

[Rifleman1776]

What experiences have others had with H2O2?

I use H2O2 regularly when cleaning my ml guns. I once posted a test I did with a hunk of ml barrel and H2O2. Nothing, meaning NOTHING happened to the barrel.
I know what industrial strength H2O2 can do to steel and it ain't pretty. :shake:
But, the stuff you get at the drug store is much weaker. It cleans gunk from crevices very well and, in my experience, is safe to use in your ml rifles.

Try your test again with a dirty barrel, and I bet your results will be different ... the salts are needed for corrosion to proceed. The peroxide would just serve as a convent source of extra oxygen, speeding rust formation up, IMHO.

OK, ye got me curious :hmm: . I doubt you are correct. I say this because I use it to assure getting gunk out of breech areas that might harbor such. That "gunk" is 'dirty barrel' residue. Probably not today, but I will try your suggestion with my test hunk of barrel. I have some unused Elephant powder, nothin' is dirtier. That should make a good test.

 

[Dewey]

OK, ye got me curious :hmm: . I doubt you are correct. I say this because I use it to assure getting gunk out of breech areas that might harbor such. That "gunk" is 'dirty barrel' residue. Probably not today, but I will try your suggestion with my test hunk of barrel. I have some unused Elephant powder, nothin' is dirtier. That should make a good test.

Yep! Let us know the results!

Some folk swear (literally!) that they get rust using the peroxide while others claim they don't. I wonder if the rusting can be controlled by the patch lube that has been used ... spit vs bore butter, for example. Might be interesting to compare what folk are using on their barrel vs the result they experience with the peroxide.

 

[Billnpatti]

By damn, it is true.... you are never too old to learn. Now, I know what MAP is and, not only that, after a bit of searching in a dictionary, :hmm: I now know the definition of "absterging". Now, I need to search for an opportunity to use it in normal conversation. A big THANK YOU!! to all who have added to my knowledge. :hatsoff: :hatsoff:

 

[Billnpatti]

That stuff is so corrosive it can disintegrate entire mountains. :grin:

Not only that, the stuff is strong enough to sink a battleship. :haha: :haha:

 

[coloradoclyde]

I wonder if the rusting can be controlled by the patch lube that has been used ... spit vs bore butter, for example. Might be interesting to compare what folk are using on their barrel vs the result they experience with the peroxide

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I too have wondered the same... I only use spit or homemade beeswax/olive oil lube. and have never had a problem with a MAP solution.

 

[Rifleman1776]

I wonder if the rusting can be controlled by the patch lube that has been used ... spit vs bore butter, for example.

In my case, not a factor. I use mainly to degunk the small chambers of a patent, or Nock style, breech. Patch lube does not reach into those.

 

[Dewey]

That stuff is so corrosive it can disintegrate entire mountains. :grin:

Not only that, the stuff is strong enough to sink a battleship. :haha: :haha:

Every person that has ever drunk dihydrogen oxide has eventually died !!! :shocked2: :haha:

 

[coloradoclyde]

Every person that has ever drunk dihydrogen oxide has eventually died !!!

Well Duh!!! your not suppose to drink it straight....your suppose to mix it with Ethanol before you drink it. :grin:

Seriously though, more than 840,000 people world wide, die each year from drinking hydrogen monoxide.

 

[Dewey]

Ah ... will have to keep plenty of ethanol on hand for such a purpose !!!

 

[Black Jaque Janaviac]

White,

Your barrel - how is it finished? Is it blued? Browned? Was the bore exposed to the same finish?

I suspect that the barrel has as much to do with this as the cleaning solution.

I have had similar results as you with the same witches brew. However, I have also used it on other guns with little problem.

The rust caused by the peroxide reacting with the barrel probably won't be a problem. The peroxide is also consumed in the reaction so that once it is gone the rusting ceases.

It is the chloride salts that cause pitting. That's because the chloride ion doesn't really get consumed in the rust formation. Instead the chloride acts as a transport vehicle to pull iron atoms out of the metal and trade them with atmospheric oxygen. The chloride ion then goes back and gets more metallic iron.

 

[Rifleman1776]

hydrogen monoxide

I Googled it. Apparently, no such thing.
Pity. I wanted to try some. :rotf:

 

[Rifleman1776]

That stuff is so corrosive it can disintegrate entire mountains. :grin:

Not only that, the stuff is strong enough to sink a battleship. :haha: :haha:

Every person that has ever drunk dihydrogen oxide has eventually died !!! :shocked2: :haha:

I looked that up also.
Are we allowed to say :bull: here? http://www.snopes.com/science/dhmo.asp

 

[coloradoclyde]

I will counter your argument (funny as it is )with some real science. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication