Handguns and the law

[bezoar]

Is it me or are the laws governing muzzleloading pistols getting more and more stringent? In the 1990s and early 2000's to get one from cabelas you needed to simply have a form stating the legality of that revolver in your area notarized. Everyone else was merely "check the legality in your area before ordering, and have an adult sign for it at the door".
Yesterday i emailed a Traditions retailer in michigan only to be told that i need to get a pistol purchase permit from my local sherriff before buying one, even tho companies like Midway USA simply say "send the money and have an adult sign for it at the door when ups brings it to you".

 

:shocked2: Let me guess might you be from the socialist republic of California? Or the eastern sea board? Think about this the next time you vote for a liberal.

 

[shmrck1]

Bezoar,
I really think it is a matter of liability
more than a law issue. Sellers are just trying to
cover their a... And in the times we live you really can't blame them. IMO
snake-eyes :hmm:

 

ain't nuthin' changed here 'ceptin now we can carry concealed iffn' one goes to school fer a couple or three nights an' pays your money. Ah never let sich foolishness stand in my way....

Vic

 

[mark fish]

It does seem real america is being sued to death. :shake:

 

[Puffer]

Quoting gun laws is ALWAYS a dicey thing, because they are often written "VAGUELY"& are open to "INTERP". :cursing:
BUT :hmm:
1. The purchase of a BP muzzeleloading firearm (pistol or Long-arm) DOES NOT require a FFL.
2. They can be shipped "DIRECT" to the purchaser, W/O going through a FFL dealer.
3.They do not have to reg.ed with the Feds ( nor with the state in WA)
$. UPS, FedEx etc. all ship DIRECT.

As to the company policies, thats their call IMO

Puffer

 

[thehorn]

Quoting gun laws is ALWAYS a dicey thing, because they are often written "VAGUELY"& are open to "INTERP". :cursing:
BUT :hmm:
1. The purchase of a BP muzzeleloading firearm (pistol or Long-arm) DOES NOT require a FFL.
2. They can be shipped "DIRECT" to the purchaser, W/O going through a FFL dealer.
3.They do not have to reg.ed with the Feds ( nor with the state in WA)
$. UPS, FedEx etc. all ship DIRECT.

As to the company policies, thats their call IMO

Puffer

So you say. Try convincing the State of New Jersey on the above points. Truly draconian they are when it comes to antique & traditional muzzleloading arms.

 

[Bob Riegl]

:cursing: In the equally draconian New York State---purchase and possession ( except for New York City) of a BP pistol does not require FFL or registration---until you are in possession of the materials needed to fire them--i.e. powder, caps, ball etc.At that time the gun must be registered and appear on your License, which few people pay attention to IMHO--- :hatsoff:

 

[Zonie]

The only thing I see in the latest Cabela's catalog is a warning that says:
"Residents of Hawaii, Mass., Ill., Mich., N.Y. and N.J. please check your local laws for restrictions before ordering any black-powder firearm."

It doesn't say what to do after you have checked for the restrictions. Just fill out the order, I guess. :grin:

 

[thehorn]

The only thing I see in the latest Cabela's catalog is a warning that says:
"Residents of Hawaii, Mass., Ill., Mich., N.Y. and N.J. please check your local laws for restrictions before ordering any black-powder firearm."

It doesn't say what to do after you have checked for the restrictions. Just fill out the order, I guess. :grin:

If you go ahead in an attempt to purchase, they block the sale. Been there.

 

I bought my first bp pistol when I was 17 (just turned 23). .58 cal harpers ferry flintlock...wish I still had it.

They didn't care that I was 17, they sold me powder, ball, and flints too.

My how things have changed in just a few years...

 

[bezoar]

Well according to state you need a purchase permit to buy fro a store in michigan. but an internet exemption exists for bp revolvers. Perhaps that is the reason you merely fill out a verification of information form for cabelas.

Granholm supposedly signed legislation that removes the pistol purchase permit requirement for bp handguns that can be "changed over", ie to smokeless powder or metalic cartridges.

 

[WRussell]

It's always going to be a morass in which one needs to tread carefully, because laws are written by lawyers - and they want lawyers to stay employed.

 

[strongarm]

I am guessing that some BP handguns in Mich require a FFL to be sold or shipped. The general rule in Wisconsin is that the projectile needs to be loaded down the muzzle in order to be a true muzzleloader. Some, revolvers, trap doors and Sharps rifles are muzzleloaders that fit into that 'in between' category that best be handled by a licensed dealer.

 

[pondoro]

I live in Ohio but visit the Cabela's in Michigan. As I recall Michigan considers BP pistols firearms, and I could not buy one because I din't have a Michigan firearms license. I went home and ordered a BP pistol from Cabela's and it came in the mail, no notaried statement, no proof of age, nothing.

Also the Michigan store refused to sell my 20 year old daughter 44 magnum ammo for her legally owned 44 magnum carbine because 44 mag was "pistol" ammo. I am not sure if that was part of the Michigan law, a store policy, or Federal law.