Have you heard??

[Sam squanch]

My main problem with pyrodex is I don’t think it has much power left after years of storage. I’ve shot black powder that was over 60 years old, and it worked great. I’ve shot old pyrodex and it fizzled. But , we may ALL be using pyrodex soon!

 

[Sam squanch]

I’ve know guys who scrubbed and scrubbed after using pyrodex- still some rust!

 

[dave951]

Pyrodex degrades over time. Pyrodex corrosiveness is persistent over time. I've seen several guns that the owners cleaned, oiled and put away. Owners that I know personally and I know their cleaning methods. They decide to shoot again a couple years later, and the bore looks like a sewer. I personally have seen this. Just one example, a close friend thoroughly cleaned his 1858 Remington after we went shooting with Pdex. He went as far as disassemble it and scrub every part in hot, soapy water and then clean it again. When it was thoroughly dry, he slathered it in oil for storage. We went back to shoot it again after 2 years in storage, and the outside was fine, but the bore was toast. This is only one example I've seen. If you don't go back and clean again, it will rust. I've never seen this with real black powder. Keep your Pyrodex if you like. I'm not using it.

 

[Stykbow]

I guess the real question we need to ask ourselves is; what is my experience with Pyrodex or real BP? Folks who know better than to do something will often fib a bit when someone sees it. Your buddy pops up with a rusted bore. If he’s a bit embarrassed that he got lazy and didn’t clean properly then you’ll most likely hear something like “ it must have been X powder because I cleaned it immediately and good”. The reality is that it sat for days without being cleaned or wasn’t thoroughly cleaned. I have no experience with real BP, but I’ve shot Pyro for years. Never had a load fizzle, never seen lost power with age, and never had a bore rust. That is my experience and not what someone told me.

 

[Okie Hog]

Pyrodex degrades over time. Pyrodex corrosiveness is persistent over time.

Not so. My chrono comparison of a can of Pyrodex bought in 2000 to a new can showed no degradation. Clean your gun and you won't have any problem with corrosion from firing Pyrodex.

For many years i would get a couple dozen neglected muzzleloaders to clean up for deer season. Pyrodex residue is no more corrosive than black powder residue. The residue of either will trash your rifle.

 

[LME]

Fresh off of FB to boot!
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I shot a three shot group using fixed buckhorn sight with one of my .54 cal. Rifles that looks like your group except it looks like it is laying down in line. Each ball cut half of the ball next to it. I used 80 grains of Pyrodex and people are saying it is no good? I don't understand why people are so hard on it? There may be something to it not working well in a Flintlock but it sure works well in a percusion rifle. I believe a lot of people hear it is bad so they say it is bad, I don't know but what I do know is they are wrong. If they believe everything they hear, I feel sorry for them for they are missing out on a lot. They need to educate themselves. I have even heard that it will ruin a barrel? What a statement. It wasn't the Pyrodex that ruined the barrel it was neglect due to inexperience using and/or cleaning the rifle.

 

[Idaholewis]

Goex closing is a loss to the entire Muzzleloading Community. That said, I personally have never been a Big Fan of Goex, I shoot Swiss Blackpowder and Swear by it.

 

[Davey Boy]

For young people looking to start up a business, this would be a good one. There will always be demand and a great place for grandparents and parents to invest in a family business.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

Pyrodex is far from garbage. Very accurate, consistent, 100fps faster than goex. Not all nipples work well with it, but it's easy enough to change your nipple for an aftermarket like the spitfire or red hot nipple.

No not garbage. A real boon for the folks who could not store BP for sale, or who could not legally keep it in their dwelling (like some apartment buildings)

Pyrodex is made by the company that shut down GOEX.
So I not only am NOT buying it, I am switching over any modern stuff that I reload to powders NOT made by Hodgdon.



LD

 

[Whughett]

Ok so Goex is closing. Guess what,? until Graf and Sons changed their house brand to Goex I never used the stuff, as a matter of fact I had not even noticed they did it until I was half way thru a pound of Grafs 3F and noticed the small print had changed. Schuetzen has been good enough for my needs for a decade. I’m still good with 3F for a year or more but I’ll order Schuetzen as so as Graf gets it back in stock hopefully there’s no problem with that supply route.

 

[Terry Lightle]

Hats off to Schuetzen for helping youth shooters before the news from Goex,proves the really care about the sport

 

[LME]

No not garbage. A real boon for the folks who could not store BP for sale, or who could not legally keep it in their dwelling (like some apartment buildings)

Pyrodex is made by the company that shut down GOEX.
So I not only am NOT buying it, I am switching over any modern stuff that I reload to powders NOT made by Hodgdon.



LD

Pyrodex caused Goex to quit making B.P? Why are the other companies that make alternatives to B.P. still producing their product? Do you realise how your statement makes you look? The bean counters are the reason they quit.

 

[Sidney Smith]

Goex is closing!!

Yeah, I know. I've read it so many damn times already, that I am over it.

Now prepare for instructing others on the different powder available and where to get it.

I've never seen so many posts, where folks run their supplies to nothing, and then complain about it not being available when they need it!

Folks, there's other powder available out there, including goex. If you don't buy when you had the chance, then oh well, that's your fault.

You don't wait till a gas shortage hits to fill your tank right?

Well, for safety sake, I don't stock more than a couple lbs of powder at any one time, so your argument is meaningless. I'm also not panicking and running out to buy up powder. I have enough to last me a little while, and by the time I will need more hopefully this situation will have cleared up some, and I'll have an alternative powder to purchase.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

Pyrodex caused Goex to quit making B.P? Why are the other companies that make alternatives to B.P. still producing their product? Do you realise how your statement makes you look? The bean counters are the reason they quit.

LOL... , OH WAIT you're serious?

The Hodgdon Bean Counters, who work for Hodgdon Powder Company, made the decision to shut down the GOEX plant..., do you realize your quibbling is nonsense, in my opinion?

My comment shows that I am displeased with the decision that was made, and that I intend to take my trade elsewhere.

LD

 

[Sam squanch]

Lock this thread. No more good can come from it.

 

[Commodore Swab]

How is Pyrodex/777, etc in a percussion Hawken? I've never tried it

I do have a nice modern rifle that I used to deer hunt with but has collected dust for several years. I use Pyrodex pellets with it, but it runs 209 primers. My Hawken uses the regular #11s.

Pyrodex is far from garbage. Very accurate, consistent, 100fps faster than goex. Not all nipples work well with it, but it's easy enough to change your nipple for an aftermarket like the spitfire or red hot nipple.

HazMat kills the deal and I don't need so much as to justify it.

I'll stick with Pyrodex available locally.

Why is Pyrodex garbage? I have never had a problem with it? I have some that was bought years back that I used recently and it performed well. Maybe in your case it is more the user than the product? It is talk like this that will hurt the company. New comers to the sport might believe you and shy away from using it . I know personally that you don't know what you are talking about unless something has changed with method of production. which I doubt.

Oh goody, another pyrodex verses black powder row

Pyrodex and black powder both produce caustic salts on combustion.
The only known practical solvent for salt that is readily available is water. Hot is even better.
Use that with pyrodex and or BP and your barrel will be fine.
Use anything else and one is risking damage.

Remember, nothing really isolates salts or chemically neutralises them. All we can do is dilute them and wash away or in crystal form hold them in suspension. Unfortunately mineral oil based product do not absorb and hold salt in suspension. It may seem as though they do at first but after a while the salt separates from the oil, absorbs water from air and forms a micro caustic bead.
The only oils and fats that will carry a measure of salts and retain it are animal and vegetable.

Pyrodex vs black powder discussion is irrelevant

Brands being cut off include
Hodgdon
IMR
Ramshot
Acccurate
Winchester
Pyrodex
Triple Seven
Blackhorn 209
and GOEX brands

 

[B P Arn]

GOEX production has stopped???

WE ALL GOAN DAH!!!!

LOLOLOL just kiddin'. It didn't take long, though for the kooks to start with the nutty conspiracy theories!

GOEX production was stopped because it was not profitable enough for the company.

If there is money to be made, someone else will step up and produce black powder.

 

[LME]

LOL... , OH WAIT you're serious?

The Hodgdon Bean Counters, who work for Hodgdon Powder Company, made the decision to shut down the GOEX plant..., do you realize your quibbling is nonsense, in my opinion?

My comment shows that I am displeased with the decision that was made, and that I intend to take my trade elsewhere.

LD

I can see you have never ran a business? It all boils down to profit. You can't blame a company for their actions if there is no profit or very little profit. If an explosion was the cause how did Dupont survive all their past problems?

 

[Whughett]

$15 per pound? At 2.2 lb to a kg that's not even $40. We pay $125 for 1 kg in Australia for Wano

Coming up not available when added to shopping cart. Tried all combinations 10 pounds and up.

 

[Kansas Kid]

Does P Dex still come with a pair of pink shorts and a box of hand grenades to light it?