home defense

[Claude Mathis]

A drawback to using the BP weapon inside is the cloud of smoke. There is no need to put yourself at a disadvantage. As has been said before, I would go for the most reliable, modern and updated piece of machinery to defend family and home.

Well, thats the point isn't it? If I'm going to enter a "competition", no matter what it is, I'm not going to go out of my way to use outdated equipment? Especially when someone's life is at stake.

 

[ohiosam]

How about if I used Pyrodex?

 

[Jason Lewis]

If it does fire and you miss you can take advantage of the "Squid Effect" and use the cloud of smoke to make good your escape.

kinda like a ninja! :rotf:

 

[Claude Mathis]

How about if I used Pyrodex?

I believe in freedom of choice. :wink:

 

[Josh Smith]

Ok, folks, I'm a little confused here.

Are we talking general defense of home, or strictly self-defense?

If I'm in fear of my life, the pistol comes into play because I'm fast, accurate and most importantly, trained in pistolcraft.

On the other hand, if we're talking defense of property -- a raccoon munching on my apple tree, for example -- I'll use anything that's handy, including black powder arms.

Two totally different scenarios, both of which can fall under "self-defense."

What are we talking about?

Josh

 

[rabjr]

Well I would start by rereading the original post...

 

[DOUBLEDEUCE 1]

I really doubt that a raccoon eating apples from your tree would constitute self defense by any stretch of the imagination :idunno: :rotf:

 

[kelleyjk]

These home defense fantasy threads always seem to result in Josh telling us all how deadly Josh is in H2H combat and how well trained and accurate Josh is in pistol craft and the last one resulted in a scolding by those members that cant stand to read about modern weapons or their home defense application etc. or guarding the chicken coop etc.

Ok heres the scenraio, youre in bed sleeping you hear a crashing noise in the other part of your house, so you scamble to the fireplace retrieve your replica Brown Bess musket from the mantle and then you realize the intruder is approaching from behind in a dark and narrow hallway, so you manage to get your nearly 5ft long weapon turned around (before he gets within 5ft hopefully), you didnt have time to install your socket bayonnet, and lets say youre lucky enough to get a well placed shot off and stop the intruder. After the smoke clears you realize he has a partner. :hmm:

Can you stop an intruder with a traditional muzzle loader?

Yep.

Should you rely on a traditonal muzzleloader?

Nope.

Can you stop an intruder with a crossbow?

Yep.

A tomahawk?

Swiss Army knife?

MAG-LITE ?

I guess these question threads are par for the course the original post even suggested it was designed to stir up debate or just conversation.

Common sense would dictate just about anything you can pick up and swing or throw should improvised in a deadly force situation IF you dont have something better :v

 

[rawhide]

boy if I had to use a ml I'd want a .69 or bigger cal pistol loaded with #6 shot. blow sh#$% out of the bad guy and not blow big holes in the walls that could go in to other rooms. that and I would want my kbar I brought home with me after I got out of the corps.thats if it came down to I had to use a ml. on the other hand I have a 357 loaded with 38+p corbon safty slugs neat little bullet. turns in to shot when hits a target. plus I got the kbar knife. with my work I here lots of difrent views on home defence. (yes I work in a gun shop) never thought of a ml as home defence... good subjuct to brieng up today with coworkers.... thanks gang rawhide.

 

[ebiggs1]

Yeah pretty much the same here, you must exhaust all possible exits before defending yourself. And if you do shoot someone you better kill them or they will sue. :shake:

Fortunately here in Kansas, if someone or somebodies, break into your house, they are in deep do-do.
We do not have to retreat! We don't have many home invasions.

 

Well I would start by rereading the original post...

Speaking of which, the OP hasn't even logged in since he started this discussion. Seems like it's important to everyone but him. :rotf:

 

[larry wv]

Maybe he has to work? Pretty sure our yard is ok to defend in Wv. It says property so don't know for sure. Have to load hay will check before Time to defend it. :grin: Larry

 

[Paul R]

I've been reading the archives. Back around p. 134 there is a thread on 4-bore blunderbus with potential loads. Yeah, it would be only one shot, but awesome damage.

Paul

 

[nkbj]

For certain when you no longer have cartridge firearms you will have to adapt not only loading techniques but also tactical doctrine.

 

[kelleyjk]

For certain when you no longer have cartridge firearms you will have to adapt not only loading techniques but also tactical doctrine.

... so then we can then have discussions over our bamboo and rawhide hand canons and whether or not they are traditional or century correct! :wink:

 

[Twice boom]

Talking home defense laced with little romanticism.. :rotf:

Twice.

 

[Dphar]

Yeah pretty much the same here, you must exhaust all possible exits before defending yourself. And if you do shoot someone you better kill them or they will sue. :shake:

Fortunately here in Kansas, if someone or somebodies, break into your house, they are in deep do-do.
We do not have to retreat! We don't have many home invasions.

In Montana if someone enters your house in a "riotous or tumultuous manner" deadly force is allowed. A mild mannered friend of mine killed a nut in his house about 3 years ago. Had the police kept him in custody for pulling a knife on a guy in a bar up the street he would not have been shot. But they turned him loose again.
Does not matter if the intruder is armed or not.

In some places on the planet at certain times of the year being forced out of the house is as deadly and being shot.

Dan

 

[Dphar]

One other thing, why would I let someone get close enough to me to use a baseball bat? Bats are virtually useless against firearms I might add.

Dan

 

[hoochiepapa]

That's why I keep a weapon in every part of my house. There have been forced breakins in our lovely "hometown", and I want the element of surprise. But if my .54 is the only thing handy, then...
Loaded and capped at all times. :idunno:

 

[tv_racin_fan]

I would use whatever I had available. Should that be my SxS cap lock shotgun I would do my best to get the job done but I would do my best to have a more modern firearm available.

There are two loaded Remington 870's in the home along with more than one modern handgun.

I have on occasion carried a cap n ball revolver as my carry weapon. Mostly because we were hunting that day and it was my backup weapon. BUT also on a couple of occasions when we were going to the range. IF I had a cap n ball revolver with a much shorter barrel I may well carry it more often but alas what I have is revolvers with 8" barrel or so, they tend to be a bit hard to conceal compared to say a Ruger SP101 or a Kahr K9. Still I am lucky enough to reside in a state that allows open carry so I will elect to carry a cap n ball revolver now and again in addition to something more concealable.