Hoppes

[jtmattison]

OLD STYLE

NEW STYLE

I have the old bottles. I got 4 bottles off flea-bay a few years ago and stuffed them away. I actually tried it for the first time this year and wow! I wish I had tried it years ago.
Great stuff!

HD

 

I love the smell of Hoppes No 9 in the morning. :thumbsup:

 

[Coot]

I love the smell of Hoppes No 9 in the morning. :thumbsup:

Also for that evening on the town - Eau de Hoppes no. 9 - available in spray and cologne at better gun shops ............... :grin:

 

[Keppy]

Has anyone used it in cold weather situations? I have a bottle and say's not to store under 32 degree's. So wonder how it would be in cold weather as patch lube?

 

[roundball]

Since its a liquid, that's probably more of a casual warning to avoid the potential risk of a burst bottle but I don't know.

I don't use it as a patch lube for hunting...I just use it for range work but that includes January and February weekend sessions in the teens or 20's...however the patches are only in the bore for less than a minute.

 

[SimonKenton]

Roundball,

I am leery of artificial lubes because I know petro-based ones will eventually turn the fouling into ASPHALT. Is this a problem with Hoppe's Nine Plus? If not I may even stop using Mink Oil since I also use felt wads in my .54 flinter.
Any big problems with freezing in temps out of the teens? :hmm:

-Ray

 

[roundball]

As I mentioned above, I haven't used it for hunting just range work, so I have not had a Hoppes patch in a below freezing bore for hours, no experience there. But as far as worrying about asphalt from a 'petroleum' point of view, while the label does say "Contains Kerosene" ...and kerosene is some form of refined petroleum...that warning is probably required by law no matter how faint of a trace amount there may be.

And the bottom line is this...not only does Hoppes PLUS BP not cause any fouling...it is the most effective commercial lube that basically just eliminates fouling of any I've used so far.
In the cold, dry, low humidity of winter months, I routinely shoot 50 shot range sessions, go to the house to clean up, and barely get a trace of color out of the bore into a pail of hot soapy water on one pump flush then nothing after that...its just incredible stuff.

 

[Keppy]

I have used it this summer once or twice. I'm impressed with the clean up. I guess I'll have to loader up this weekend and give it a test. The weather is 25 degree's and with the wind blowing its cold here.

 

[jtmattison]

And the bottom line is this...not only does Hoppes PLUS BP not cause any fouling...it is the most effective commercial lube that basically just eliminates fouling of any I've used so far.
In the cold, dry, low humidity of winter months, I routinely shoot 50 shot range sessions, go to the house to clean up, and barely get a trace of color out of the bore into a pail of hot soapy water on one pump flush then nothing after that...its just incredible stuff.

I second that.

On the other hand Stumpy's Moose Juice does the exact same thing when used at the range to dampen patches. Plus it has the added benefit of making outstanding dry lubed patches for ball blocks or cutting at the muzzle.

I've never tried to let a Hoppes patch dry to see how it comes out.

HD

 

[renovato]

That's the lube I started shooting black powder with some 30+ years ago. Only recently have I switched to Ballistol mostly. It's a good lube and keeps fouling down better than anything else I've tried (including Ballistol).

Are you sure we're talking about the same thing? I didn't think what is called:
"Hoppe's No9 "PLUS" BP Solvent & Patch Lube"
was around 30 years ago...many of Hoppes other No9 products were but thought this "PLUS" BP version was newer than that, maybe not.

I do know there is an old style and a new style...old style being more of a liquid like water and the newer style being a little thicker with obvious lubrication feeling qualities to it

You might be right. I seem to remember the "plus" part, but then again, that was a heckuva long time ago. Could easily have been just "#9".

I've still got some of my original supplies packed away somewhere. If'n I find the box, I'll post a pic of a bottle if I have any.

 

[Emet Huntsman]

Big noise and bad smells -- what more could a guy want????

 

I hate to keep hammering on this folks but - you can not beat good old CRISCO for a patch lube. It keeps the crud in the bore soft; facilitates relaoding AND cleaning; it's cheap; has many uses (deep fried catfish comes to mind) and its easy to melt some down and lay in about a 100 patches to soak and then peel and stack. Also - it stays pliable in freezing conditions.

 

[roundball]

No need to hate hammering about crisco...but the thread was asking questions about Hoppes, so the answers are about Hoppes...why not start a crisco thread?

 

[Protrucker]

Did Hoppes used to have something different than the wihte bottle of 9 plus that Roundball showed?
Back in the 1970's I used to use a patch lube/bore cleaner that I thought I remembered as being a Hoppes product. It was absolutely horrible for the fouling build-up! I couldn't shoot more than about three shots & be able to get another ball down the bore with a patch around it without a good cleaning.

 

[roundball]

Hoppes has had their line of No.9 products for decades...but until this "Plus BP" version came along...all the other No.9's were ( and still are) petroleum based for use with typical centerfire shotgun, rifle & handgun cleaning...it's petroleum base may be what caused you the grief

 

[Old40Rod]

Yup, it is excellent stuff as indicated by the other posts. I switched to using windex for most of my trail walk and general shooting, which works well also. The Hoppes may work better for hunting, its a bit thicker and may be less likely to wet your powder than less viscous lubes.

 

[wahunterinrok]

the smell of Hoppes always makes me think of guns... what a wonderful smell!

 

[redwing]

I think the warning about winter use may be because it turns cloudy below 32 degrees. It does nothing to the product. I have used it at some very low Temps. no problem.
It is the best product you can buy over the counter. It works real good in dry conditions where the greasy lubes like Bore Butter gobe up and harden in the bore.
I think the old tales about petro. based cleaners is over blown. The new petro. based cleaner unlike machine oil an motor oil do not cause problems around black powder.
The US Navy is the biggest user of Black Powder in the world. They use a Petro.based cleaner very much like "Powder Blast" s CRP. I use it to finish wipe my rifles after cleaning. Never had a problem. :thumbsup:

 

[paulvallandigham]

Whoa! You are comparing Grapefruit to grapes, my friend! The Navy's idea of a gun begins in inches- like 5 inch guns and larger! That is a way different problem with solvents and oils than putting something in a small caliber rifle. Also, the Navy is shooting heavy shells, that have tremenous Inertia that raises the pressure and Temperature behind the bullet enough to vaporize and burn ANY OIL.

A PRB, on the other hand, Cannot do that in a small caliber-anything under a .58 caliber - gun. .54 is borderline with a .225-230 grain RB. My .50 will not raise the pressure or temperature high enough unless I add an OP Wad to the load to increase the inertia of the wad and PRB. The same is true with any smaller caliber guns.

That does NOT deal with oil that gets back into the narrow flashchannels in Percussion breechplugs that have the Nock patent, breech style of design. That is where the Petroleum- based oils play particular hob with shooters and guns. The small orifice in the nipple, and the spent cap on top of the nipple will not allow the oil to vaporize and blow out, leaving it in the flash channel together with Black Powder residue to form a creosote MESS!

I would be shocked to find the same problems with oil occurring in the big guns of our Navy, considering the velocities, chamber pressures, and higher temperatures that are raised when these guns are fired.

Keep your observations of grapefruits separate from those about grapes, and you will understand the difference in problems. :hmm:

 

[Coot]

I confess to being seriously confused here.

I happen to have one of the old white oval plastic containers of Hoppes #9 Plus BP solvent & lube, one of the newer brown round plastic bottles also marked Hoppes #9 Plus BP solvent & lube and an identical current production brown plastic bottle labeled Hoppes #9 (no "Plus") BP solvent & lube. The new bottle does refer to #9 Plus in small print on the back of the label. ALL three labels say that the contents include kerosene and ALL three labels have '2658551043' as the product code.

It appears that the package and label have changed but has the product?? All are marked "Contains Kerosene" and "do not store below 32F."

1) How does the presence of kerosene - a petroleum product - affect performance with BP guns?? Is the amount of kerosene too small to be an issue??
2) Is there any known difference in contents despite the same product code??