how about a poor-boy forum

[tom hargrove]

two pages of this and not one person ever caught the idea of what i was talking about ,not if gun maker -a is as good as b or if a carges twice as much as b who cares. but a place where a 100dollar gun can be discussed or a 5000 dollar gun be discussed ,not for the cost of the gun, but just for the owner to talk about his gun ,knife or anything else without someone stomping on it because it dosent fit there standards not a place to compare or judge just to talk about if you start off a topic with i have a itialian gun the first response will be that is probabley the problem you get what you pay for , this is the sort of thing that need to stop if someone has a itilian gun they should be able to talk about it with out fear of someone slamming them because it not a custom . live and let live for those of us who do not own customs. dosent mean we wouldnt like to but mabey we cant , on what we make and take care of our family too , thats all the next time you see a post on a gun just discuss the issue not the price or who built it after all, we are all in this for the same reason. the love of black powder arms and to be with others who share this wonderful interest that possess each of us thats all i was after -----

 

[Blackpowder Injun]

you keep changing the subject, from "lets talk about cheap guns for poor people" to "lets talk about all guns cheap or not". Dude, I was with you for awhile, but I'm not sure whats going on now....

 

[tom hargrove]

it will never happen anyway because i seem to be unable to get my idea across to people so that they can understand it so i guess let forget the whole thing and chalk up another victory to the pak.

 

[Claude Mathis]

two pages of this and not one person ever caught the idea of what i was talking about ,not if gun maker -a is as good as b or if a carges twice as much as b who cares. but a place where a 100dollar gun can be discussed or a 5000 dollar gun be discussed ,not for the cost of the gun, but just for the owner to talk about his gun ,knife or anything else without someone stomping on it because it dosent fit there standards...

Forgive me, but I had to truncate your sentence somewhere.

We already have forums where you may talk about any aspect of your equipment. It sounds like you are asking for an additional forum where people will not offend you with their opinions. Since all members are allowed to post in all forums, I don't see how adding more forums will help.

If I am still missing your point, then please explain exactly what the criteria for posting in this new forum would be and what problems it would solve.

 

[Mike Brooks]

If I am still missing your point, then please explain exactly what the criteria for posting in this new forum would be and what problems it would solve.

It would be a forum where people who enjoy a well built custom gun with a cost that relects it's quality would not be allowed to post. :winking:
Personally I find most of the bashing is not coming from the guys that own and/or appreciate the more expensive guns, but rather from those who can't or won't afford them.
I think the forums are fine the way they are.

 

[Zonie]

I think the bottom line is it is just a request for folks to accept what others own without adding their opinion of it.

While this sounds good, and should be followed by the members if the poster is just talking about how they like their gun, there are a number of times the poster is actually asking questions that may have answers which are critical.

For example, if someone says "I have a recreation of a .53 caliber Blinkenforth. Were these used in the American Revolution?" they should be ready to hear answers like "That style of gun wasn't made until 1855 so it is not correct for the AR."

As they were asking for an opinion they should even be ready to hear "That recreation isn't worth the powder to blow it to H. ". After all, they were asking for an opinion.

This Forum is, I believe, intended for helping people learn. In order to learn sometimes things will be said that upsets other people.
My suggestion is that all of us should remember that a post is just one persons opinion. If we don't like it, we should ignore it.

I also think that having a special forum for low cost guns, etc. wouldn't be manageable.
Where do you set the limits? $180? $150? $100?
As soon as a number is selected, someone will pipe up and say, "I saw one of those for $295. You can't talk about that here! "
It also opens the door for comments like "You make expensive guns so you can't post here."
Hell, I make expensive guns too. They are so expensive no one wants to buy one of them. :rotf:

I'm done rambleing now. :grin:
zonie

 

[Blackpowder Injun]

I agree Zonie, opinions are like a--holes....everybodys got one, and usually think theres is right. I never rag someones rifles, different strokes for different folks....

 

Personally I find most of the bashing is not coming from the guys that own and/or appreciate the more expensive guns, but rather from those who can't or won't afford them.

You're correct. It all started when someone was happy to have purchsed a fine rifle, and the responce was...

"You can get about the same style gun from Jackie Brown for under $1k."

How rude!

Then, when people responded to that, now these guys feel persecuted want their own fourm. :shake: Get over it.

 

[tmdreb]

Mike,

Your opinion doesn't count here. You're part of "the establishment" if not "the man" himself. Just funnin'!

 

[TN.Frank]

I didn't see anything "rude" about my comment. It was a matter of FACT, how is that being rude. You CAN, as a matter of FACT get a smoothbore fowler that is close to the style of gun that the poster had a link to which listed for $2700 bucks for $1K or slightly under from Jackie Brown. How is that being rude? If I was going to buy flints form Cabela's and someone told me I can get the same English flints from TOW for a buck I'd thank him, not think he was being rude. Some of ya'll need to not be so touchie about stuff.

 

[roundball]

I can't believe this thread just drones on and on and on with gasoline constantly being thrown on it...I wouldn't bother checking it anymore except that since I saw you make an entry I keep checking back looking for some sort of finality...don't you have one of those little padlock thingys laying around somewhere? :grin:

 

[rabjr]

Does the motion need to be seconded?? :grin:

 

[Pork Chop]

I think the bottom line is it is just a request for folks to accept what others own without adding their opinion of it.

Zonie,

I agree with most of your post. I think what TB is trying to say is close to be above with one caveat - I think that he would like for those that post not to bash something. If for example, I post that I just bought item X, then folks would be free to post "it is OK, but I prefer item Y because it is bigger, faster, stronger, more powerful, etc", but he would not want folks to post "that is the biggest frothing dung heap of a piece of X I have ever seen - good luck with your piece of junk."

He is looking for a forum where everyone would have respect, but that is almost impossible to create. If you do, you get the reputation for stopping free speach.

If I am wrong TB, let me know.

Now for the rest of the tripe - come on guys, the bones of that horse are ashes in the wind by now!

 

[blacksmithshoppe]

two pages of this and not one person ever caught the idea of what i was talking about ,not if gun maker -a is as good as b or if a carges twice as much as b who cares. but a place where a 100dollar gun can be discussed or a 5000 dollar gun be discussed ,not for the cost of the gun, but just for the owner to talk about his gun ,knife or anything else without someone stomping on it because it dosent fit there standards...

Forgive me, but I had to truncate your sentence somewhere.

We already have forums where you may talk about any aspect of your equipment. It sounds like you are asking for an additional forum where people will not offend you with their opinions. Since all members are allowed to post in all forums, I don't see how adding more forums will help.

If I am still missing your point, then please explain exactly what the criteria for posting in this new forum would be and what problems it would solve.

This is the funniest thing I have read in a long time, and I thought I would never say this but I have to agree with Claude. I don't think I remember a thread where anyone has gone on and on about something a crazy as this. I think I was Ben Franklin who said to Adolf Hitler in 1864, "Can't we all just get along?"
Jeff :thumbsup:

 

[Capt. Jas.]

You CAN, as a matter of FACT get a smoothbore fowler that is close to the style of gun that the poster had a link to which listed for $2700 bucks for $1K or slightly under from Jackie Brown.

:bull:

:rotf: :rotf:

 

If I was going to buy flints form Cabela's and someone told me I can get the same English flints from TOW for a buck I'd thank him, not think he was being rude.

I see the problem now... You can't tell the difference in a custom made rifle and a piece of rock.

So, the answer is... buy the cheapest flint and rifle you can find, because that's the deciding factor.

Okay, I see where you're coming from now.

 

[tg]

I would hope that anyone can post a question about anything on any forum and get honest respectfull answers, one must use caution on how the questions are asked or the subject matter of the questions or there may be some honest but unpleasant answers...such as "I just bought a BoBCat for RMFT re-inacting how cose is it to the originals and what else do I need to go with it and my Bowie knife and blue speckled enameled cookware and so forth?" no ill will or animosity was intended with the above but this is the kind of circumstance that I have seen the tallest flames spring forth from, and always keep in mind the lack of eye to eye contact on this medium before putting a hostile intent on an answer to a question.

 

If I was going to buy flints form Cabela's and someone told me I can get the same English flints from TOW for a buck I'd thank him, not think he was being rude.

I feel I should explain my answer a little better and let this be my final comment to you on this subject.

To compare prices for the same flint is one thing. To compare prices of two different custom gun makers is not even close to being the same thing.

If you had said, "you can get the exact same thing for $1,000 cheaper", that would be different.

But, what you said, was the equivalent of saying, "You can get a Honda for thousands less than a Cadillac". Yes, you can, but that's not the point and will never be.

You must compare apples to apples.

CHOW!

 

[renovato]

My take on this is...

In some people's minds, if I tell them I wouldn't spend $3,000 for a rifle because a $400 rifle is "just as good", that can be just as rude as saying I would never own a $400 rifle, because they aren't as good as a $3,000 rifle. In my opinion, both parties should show more respect than that.

:thumbsup: Well said, Claude, and a good point for us all to remember.

Folks, let's all calm down a bit and just discuss guns like we used to. The cost of them doesn't matter, only how much we enjoy them does. Sharing our experiences with the various models is what makes this forum great. Let's not lose sight of that.

 

[renovato]

if you start off a topic with i have a itialian gun the first response will be that is probabley the problem you get what you pay for , this is the sort of thing that need to stop if someone has a itilian gun they should be able to talk about it with out fear of someone slamming them because it not a custom .

I have seen a lot of that too. I don't think a seperate forum would end it. The only thing that will end it is if people give a little thought as to how such comments might be received by the person with the gun. It's called respect.