How to make your precussion touch off every shot with out fail

[BlackHillsBob]

thanks, you made a good point.

 

[8 BORE]

The TC Scout is quite different, i own 3 of them. They have 2 Vent holes in the Nipple Setup for “Blowback”, And in the Barrel, also 2 holes in the Frame, the 2 Holes in the Frame are angled forward and Away from the Shooter for Escaping “Blowback” to exit away from the Shooter. The Actual Breech Plug/Powder Chamber that is attached to the Barrel is really Small in the Scouts. They are inline ignition, when you cock the Hammer on an empty Barrel you can look through the Nipple and See Daylight

Here is a picture of a New, and Old Style TC Scout Nipple setup, In the very beginning they did not have the 2 Vent holes for escaping “Blowback”

Yea for T/C SCOUT. GLADE TO SEE OTHERS HAVE SOME.

 

[Redstick Lee]

i've shot many c&b guns with and without the "drum" design......come back most times with pinpoint burns on my hand from cap pieces but that's just part of the game.
never fired a "vented" gun and only had FTFs when I neglected my nipple or flash channel......quick pick, fresh cap, boom.

I use an after firing method of clearing the nipple that I don't think we're allowed to talk about here.....someone might BLOW a gasket......

 

[Carbon 6]

The TC Scout is quite different, i own 3 of them.

Three?
I think I might prefer a Allen Box lock. The scout does have some eye appeal for what it is.

 

[BlackHillsBob]

oh my gosh, a allen box lock, you have creme de le creme taste in muzzleloaders. wish shooters would talk about them more here, what a gun what a gun. thanks for bringing them up. the kits are available to this day. would like to build one.

 

[54ball]

BHB,
Apparently this is your pistol featured in the building forum. Is that the vent hole between the sight and the drum on the oblique flat?
All I can say is, I find it just a little extreme. If that barrel was in my pile of parts, I would consider it ruined.
I'll take your word that it works well. With that said , there's no way I would do it nor recommend it.

 

[Carbon 6]

I would love to see a video of that shooting.

 

[BlackHillsBob]

it shoots fine, my companion in my old pickup as i drive around this isolated county. 20 grains of real black, 3 60thosuands wads, 2, 45 round balls and a patched 3rd on top of it. hits good at 15 yards, it is a good one shot gun in a tight spot. never ever misfires and is as reliable as a gun can get. dont care a wit what some think of it, so just stew in your own juice and i wont bother you and no need to bother me. we will never meet and would not talk if we did. im about info, your about absumtions. as far as im concerned your a very very very boring what ever. sorry moderator but this shooter has been after me ever since i want to learn and share on your fine site. 20 percent here want to learn , 70 percent like to read every thing and whats left bring their hangups here to vent and annoy every one. sorry again but just leave me alone and we can just egnore each other. you do know how to post a picture though, good job at that.

 

[54ball]

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

 

[Carbon 6]

20 grains of real black, 3 60thosuands wads, 2, 45 round balls and a patched 3rd on top of it. hits good at 15 yards,

Does 20 grains fill the barrel beyond the secondary vent, or is that about where the wadding resides ?

I find your "method" interesting, but loaded with 3 balls and an additional hole in the barrel it flies in the face of conventional safety.

I appreciate you posting this topic, it has heightened my awareness. I'll definitely be more observant when looking at guns going forward.

 

[Gene L]

Four hundred grains of lead pushed by 20 grains of powder? I wonder what the velocity would be in such a short barrel with so little powder. It would be interesting to see the penetration of this load.

 

[Carbon 6]

Four hundred grains of lead pushed by 20 grains of powder? I wonder what the velocity would be in such a short barrel with so little powder. It would be interesting to see the penetration of this load.

Especially with the addition of a second vent to bleed off pressure.
It would be very interesting to see chronograph results side by side with an identical unmodified gun.

I've been thinking about this a lot, there are some possible advantages to such a modification especially the way the gun is being used, but much needs to be examined.

 

[BlackHillsBob]

goes through one side of a 50 gallon barrel. in a hand size group at 15 yards to point of aim.

 

[BlackHillsBob]

54bore, their is something else about that pistol that is way different, bet you cant find it.

 

[Carbon 6]

Hooked breech ?

 

[Rat]

My question is...if one was actually going to vent the breech that way...wouldn't it be better to have the vent on the left side of the barrel? Why was the right side chosen? Sincerely curious.

My other question would be, maybe it's just the picture, but it looks like an extremely large hole. ??? Wouldn't one want the most tiny drill/hole possible?

 

[BlackHillsBob]

you make a really really good point rat, it can be on the left side or straight up, your choise. mine is a 1/16 hole, a 1/32 is ok also. its in the back of the chamber. when some one says the barrel is ruined then they have to say all flintlock barrels are ruined. you dont put a finger over the flints ignition hole, you wouldnt on this either. sorry about not answering what also is different about this gun, wont do that because the nay sayer wants to mash every thing he can see so let him figure it out and tell us, he is the smart one here. i have 12 uberti colt revolvers. which one shoots the hardest at a target compared to my cva muzzleloader. none, the cva shoots and hits the target harder than all my colts the way i load it. its not going to blow up, thats just a brain fart frm those who never contribute but just nay say because they have a nay saying personality. also the ones who nay say my wood work on a beech stock, please please show us your wood work. not what you bought and paid for but your work. my choise is various kinds of maple and cherry but i will do a beech to the best it can be also. put the vent hole where you want and smaller than mine, your barrel is not ruined in any way. many just move their mouth just to move it, that is the joy of the internet. in the old days sitting around a cup of coffee at the local filling station you choose your words better. on the internet their is no danger to you getting into a physical thing, so mice try to roar like a lion on the internet. us who pass info and recieve info just have to get used to it. if you ever thought about build ing a side lock for a cast bullet or round ball do this ,choose the proper twist for the barrel, have the barrel maker make the grooves at least 5 thousands deep,the lands very narrow and the grooves wide. have a good mold made for the round ball a little over size. tap in on a felt wad or fiber wad with a small rubber hammer. or make the barrel 3 inches longer for the cast bullet,not my idea, others have done it before me and it works.

 

[Desperate Lee]

You go Bob.

 

[Carbon 6]

when some one says the barrel is ruined then they have to say all flintlock barrels are ruined. .

I've never seen a flintlock with 2 vents or flash holes.

In a short barreled pistol the effect is probably not all that noticeable. But, I wonder about a rifle at distance. I've never seen a competition shooter shoot or win with a 2 vent gun. Has anyone else ?

You have genuinely peaked my curiosity. Please tell us more, there is so much more to explore on this subject.

P.S. I think we could all do without the long diatribes.
Thank you.

 

[cannonball1]

Just to lighten things up a little bit from one who has been around the Horn a few times. I have not had any mis-fires except for a clogged nipple or the cap hasn't went off. If I don't get oil down the barrel, my guns go off. Here is an analogy of people talking when they should have been studying, especially when they claim to be the expert. True Story - One day in a major university there was a very Seasoned Anthropology Professor who was talking about the Fremont Indians who lived in our area hundreds of years ago, now extinct. He was showing video slides of these stacked rocks in formations that looked like people holding hands. They are all over South Central Utah on the high mountain ridges. Each line of rocks had a tin can on it and to this professors disgust, he said, look what the locals are doing to our historical past and to those fabulous Fremont Indians formations. One student from SC Utah spoke up and said, Ya, I know that Fremont Indian. His name is Lorenzo, he stacks rocks and the tin cans are to shine in hopes to keep the coyotes away from his sheep. That was one "red faced" professor. In doing some tile work I looked at youtube with a dozen professional tilers. Most all of them knew how to lay tile, but when you put the tile in a shower with mastic rather thin-set it may come down in 10 years rather than 50 years.
We just need to lighten up, don't be rude, and enjoy the debate.