Funny, you say they were going about their business, but you did not go about your business! It was not them it was you.
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I’m not sure I follow? Are you saying that I was harassing the mom and her kids? Had I gone about my business, I’d have scared the bejeesus out of her and her kids. As it was I chose to give them their space and get their tadpoles or whatever it was they were collecting. I don’t think either I or they were harassing anyone, though it was frustrating for me.Funny, you say they were going about their business, but you did not go about your business! It was not them it was you.
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I don't know how many they have around Minnesota, but (WAY too late) I know they now have a Hmong warden that spends time in the Whitewater wildlife mgmt area in SE MN. This area with nearly 80,000 public acres is a magnet for Hmong hunters. I live very near this area hence my decades of interaction with this group of hunters since the first year they started using it.After the deer hunting fiasco mentioned, WIDNR didn't waste any time getting Hmong Safety Wardens trained and in place around WI to provide training and guidance to Hmong hunters. We've had one in the Eau Claire Regional Office for some time. I'm a recently retired hunter safety instructor (31 years).
Your business was hunting, you should have continued to hunt. As long as you did not shoot toward them, you were fine!I’m not sure I follow? Are you saying that I was harassing the mom and her kids? Had I gone about my business, I’d have scared the bejeesus out of her and her kids. As it was I chose to give them their space and get their tadpoles or whatever it was they were collecting. I don’t think either I or they were harassing anyone, though it was frustrating for me.
And thanks to the posters who responded with their own stories of actual harassment and the discussion. I have come to the conclusion that should I ever get actually harassed, I will either 1. Pack it up, document, and notify the authorities. Or
2. Take the harassers on a harrowing trip into a deep dark place and set up camp, like the one story. Lol.
I see what you mean now. If I’d had a bow, that might have made sense, but with a shotgun, I think the little kids would have probably ended up crying.Your business was hunting, you should have continued to hunt. As long as you did not shoot toward them, you were fine!
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on long island n.y. [ very populated] we have a special month of january shotgun/ m/l deer season. we have tons of deer . the public land that is open to hunting is closed to other activities during this season. but idiots still ride bikes and horses or hike through there usually dressed in all the wrong colors. when one gets hurt or killed it will be our fault. cant legally fix stupid. and yes there are those that try to mess up the hunt ,then cry about the damage the deer do to their property or cars.
Heard of this happening many years ago, in Okla., during shotgun season. As reported to authorities, a hunter was drawing down on a buck with his shotgun. Suddenly, some crazy woman stepped from behind some trees and put her hands over the nuzzle just as he pulled the trigger. A 12 ga. slug makes an awful mess, especially of a hand at close range. After the dust settled, she was charged with hunter harassment under Okla. Laws. Not only lost her hand from her own stupidity but got a stiff fine and jail time too. It was reported that she told the authorities that she hoped that the hunter would be able to stop in time.on long island n.y. [ very populated] we have a special month of january shotgun/ m/l deer season. we have tons of deer . the public land that is open to hunting is closed to other activities during this season. but idiots still ride bikes and horses or hike through there usually dressed in all the wrong colors. when one gets hurt or killed it will be our fault. cant legally fix stupid. and yes there are those that try to mess up the hunt ,then cry about the damage the deer do to their property or cars.
Always preferable to enlist a well-intentoned (and I know I am probably being a bit gracious with that officer) adversary as an ally,, rather than unnecessarily making him into an out-&-out ENEMY by our thoughts, words, and actions...In the early 80's I rented so to speak, 80 acres of Corn.surrounded by posted land on3 sides for 2 miles each directon.4th side was public road. I set in the fence row on the side furthest from the road. Now I say RENTED because it was an odd situation that the owner had going. some one else had it rented Opening day. I paid him $10 he gave me written permission. I was to call him when I had my deer out of the field. I didn't have to shoot anything in particular and could Hunt as long as I wanted. just call him when I was done.so So he could rerent it. So I'm all set at Shooting time , A Pick up pulls up to me on the other side of the fence on the Alfalfa. Out steps the NEW Game warden. He asks for lic & Id. then ENCOURAGES me to leave. I show him my Permisson from Swede, Digusted he gets back in the the truck ,drives clear around the rest of the 80.turns around comes back past me .and leaves.this takes out the first hour of shooting time,I see deer coming to the CORN but they run off with him DUNKYIN' around..I'm a little ANNOYED to say the least. I figure I'll get one tonight at sunset.
WELL, 2 hrs before sunset I ready. I'm not a horn hunter. First large bodied deer is gonna get it. 1/2 hr before sunset here comes the same truck same NEW Game Warden, he steps out & asks for my lic & Id. I,m LIVID cause deer are moving across the Alfalfa from all 3 directions, but take off as he is JACKIN' with Me. I come UNCORKED, I said I got the same XXXXing lic. & the same XXXxing Permission that I had this MORNING. and if you're here in the Morning you'll be UNEMPLOYED by NOON. He gets my documents looks them over , gets back in the truck and drives all around the fence line and leaves.I check the time it's sunset so I've still got 30 min. to hunt. But I decide not to risk him saying I'm shooting after hours. Next morning, No game warden, I shoot a nice big bodied 4x4. load him up and head to tell SWEDE what is going on. SWEDE knows all about it, That's why he "Rents" the place to me and gives Written permission. Seems the first hunter got the same drill. Swede called his neighbor who owns all the surrounding ground, come to find out the NEW game warden has permission to BOWHUNT all the posted ground if he keep TRESPASSERS out ,Basically gets rewarded for doing his job. SWEDE made a call to his old friend the DIRECTOR of the game & parks dept. Too late for my first day, but not too late for the season.The next year NEB. gets a hunter harrassment law...But IMAGINE the look on said GAME WARDEN'S face when he walks in the class room I'm using, I had called him at home and asked him to speak to my HUNTER SAFETY class about hunter ETHICS. .......We became good friends and remain so to this day....Be Safe>>>>>>>>Wally
Are you referring to the Wisconsin incident back in 2004? If so, that individual was Hmong who are from Laos and Vietnam, not Korea.
Minnesota and Wisconsin have relatively large Hmong populations. Unfortunately, their start into hunting under a US game mgmt model started very poorly (I put a lot of blame on the state DNRs for not seeing an issue and requiring they first be trained in US game mgmt/hunting). In short, they trespassed everywhere, even when posted, and literally shot everything that moved, including non-game & out of season species. It was rampant and you can only imagine it if you personally witnessed it. This left a VERY bad impression of them on long time hunters who were always running into them on their private properties. In the Wisconsin incident the Hmong guy was sitting one of their treestands and was informed he was on private property and asked to leave, but refused, and it escalated.
Again, I put most of the blame on the DNRs for not putting training programs in place much earlier. You cannot expect immigrants, many who spoke no english at all, from an entirely different hunting culture to understand modern game management principles and laws.
Fortunately, over several decades now, they have learned what they needed to and the situation is far better...no different than any other hunters. I have spoken to numerous Hmong at a gun range I go to and frankly, I'd rather shoot next to them than most of the rednecks that show up violating many range rules and don't clean up after themselves. The Hmong are polite, courteous, and always clean up their target litter and empty shell casings, etc.
I have, when being challenged/berated byy anti-hunter, been known to pull out my Tribal I.D./enrollment card, and then ask if they have a problem with Indigenous people continuing what parts of our traditions and lifeways we still can... Funny look in their eyes when one part of their gut-thinking value system runs headlong into another part. It can lead into a conversation where hunting rights of non-Indian people who pay their license fees and contribute large amounts of money toward maintaining the habitat via Pittman-Robertson excise taxes get explained to them as well... Ultimately their complaint is generally against poachers and gun-toting slobs, whom I will NOT call "hunters." We have then ended the conversation on common ground, at least half the time. Not a card everybody gets to play, but I have used this one more than a time or two... So far, in-town conversations rather than in-the-woods situations, so the heatedness is generally less, I admit, but maybe it has prevented at least one actual harassment episode from occurring at some point.
you are absolutely correct. im not talking about shooting a person thinking it is a deer. on long island the scrub oak is very thick , not open country.very hard to see someone 20 yards beyond your target without blaze. it is closed to them for their safety and as not to interfere with hunters. it is a shotgun/ muzzle loader only area. i always try to line up a tree for a backstop to catch the pass thru..i have always told my kids and everyone else that when you pull the trigger you own that bullet.No Sportsmen or even a Basic Ethical Hunter would/could sight and pull a trigger on anything that's not identifiable as the game target.
Would agree re: some in some "leadership" (feels sad using that word...)Citizen Potawatomi Nation here.
These people don't care about Native Americans unless they can find a way to use us as a political weapon. If you're not poor, drunk, drug addicted, unemployed or living on a reservation in squalor you're not "indian enough" and of no use to them.
Yup, it isn't always about mistaken identity.you are absolutely correct. im not talking about shooting a person thinking it is a deer. on long island the scrub oak is very thick , not open country.very hard to see someone 20 yards beyond your target without blaze. it is closed to them for their safety and as not to interfere with hunters. it is a shotgun/ muzzle loader only area. i always try to line up a tree for a backstop to catch the pass thru..i have always told my kids and everyone else that when you pull the trigger you own that bullet.
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