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tradfergie

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I am planning on hunting this fall for the first time with my soon to arrive tulley. I want to hunt both turkey and deer. What can I expect my range to be and with and ideals for a load to use. Any help would be great. And this next springI would like to hunt some hogs with it. This is my first time with a flint lock so HELP!!! And i have also have on order a tvm sothern rifle in 50cal. So I am hoping to have that for next spring hog hunting. So any load info and advise will help thid tenderfoot learn so he can pass it on to his sons :confused:
 
for hogs and deer a load of 80 to 100 MAYBE 110 gr of powder (shoot untill you find your best group with the bullet of choice. Some will bet their childrens spleen on a PRB and they are fine, I personally prefer a conical. My personal BIGGEST MISTAKE (and there aint no way around it) is that you NEED to try MENY combinations to find the best one for THAT gun. If you use a connical USE AN UNDER WAD!
Soooo MY favorite hunting load is 100 gr Pyro RS then a oxy-yoke wonder wad then a 460 gr Hornady Great plains hollow butt flat nose connical with the hollow butt filled FLUSH with T/C Bore Butter set rather firmly over the wad over the powder. I also PREFER a musket cap (either CCI or RWS) VS a #11. THAT will be a 1" group, 1.5" high at 25 yards...same group 4" high at 50 yards, and a 3-ish inch group and dead on at 100b yrds.
MIGHT be a little "light" for Turkey but if you know how to track you can follow the blood trail. :wink:
 
I'd be blushing if I was in your shoes, Wattsy. A conical! A sub powder! A musket cap! Heck I bet you even stoop to using a receiver sight. Shame!!

How can you look yourself in the mirror? :wink:
 
Is that Centermark gun going to be a smoothbore fowler, in 20 gauge, or 12 gauge? You need to give us some information on what you have coming for us to help you with turkey and deer loads. Is the barrel going to be choked?

For Turkey, you want to use a shot load. For Deer, you want a RB load. The load differs for smoothies vs. rifled barrels. The shot loads differ for cylinder bores, vs. choked barrels.

What Rate of Twist( ROT ) rifling is coming in the .50 caliber rifle? We know it will shoot PRB with any ROT, but whether it will shoot conicals well and what kind is often a function of the ROT. So, tell us, please. Thank you. Once we have that information, there are plenty of us with experience shooting Wild Boar, and deer, and others with experience shooting turkey.

Remember, also MEASURE the bore diameter of your gun when you receive it. Do not trust what is stamped on the barrel as being accurate to describe your actual bore diameter. With the guys at TVM, you can call in advance and ask them what the exact bore diameter is on the rifle, and then ask about the groove depth. That way, you can order balls and patches for the gun to try. I don't know if Centermark is set up to tell you that information about your bore diameter on your gun from them. You can ask, of course. The worse that will happen is that he says something like, " Its a 20 gauge! What more do you need to know?" Do tell him you need to know because you want to shoot both RB and Shot loads out of the gun. Maybe he will then get you the bore diameter information before you receive the gun.
 
The tulley is smooth bore 62cal/20ga. The southern rifle is going to be 50cal, 42"barrel, flintlock. the twist should be 1 to 72.LongHammack barrel. It is made to shoot prb. And that is what I plan on shooting. I do F&I reinacting so that is what the tulley is for and the Southern is so I can use a flintloc rifle to hunt. And the tulley will aslo take ( i hope ) some duck geese rabbit and treerat :grin: So these guns are not going to sit around. Nor should they
 
My hunting load with my CenterMark Tulle - back in the early 90s was 90 gr FFg with a .15 pillow tick patch and a .595 or .600 rb.

For birds and I killed quite a few grouse on the wing - 60 gr FFg with equal volume of 6s - with a card, fiber cushion and over shot wad.

Keith
 
Okay: I am going to assume the Fowler will not be choked. It also sounds like you are going to use it mainly to shoot birds, with shot, rather than using it with a ROUND BALL.

First, Read Bob Spenser's Black Powder Notebook, for information on shot loads. He has his own article at the top of his list, and in the second column at the bottom, is another article by V.M. Starr, who many consider the father of modern smoothbore and shotgun shooting. V.M. was one of those old masters who kept the practice of Jug Choking alive long enough for it to catch on with shooters in the modern age.
http://members.aye.net/~bspen/index.html

You are still going to have to measure the bore of the 20 gauge when it arrives. You need to know that its a .620, or .610, or .625, or whatever, before you order wads. You can use "20 gauge" wads if its .610, or .620, but if its .600, or .625 or bigger, you will want to get either the next smaller gauge wads or the next bigger gauge wads, respectively.

My 20 gauge barrel miked out at .627, almost 19 gauge, so I ended up buying 19 gauge wads. No big deal, but without the proper wads, particularly the OP wad, and the OS cards, my velocities and patterns(? :shocked2: :cursing: ) were both eratic, and well under what I had expected for the powder charge used.

Jim Rackham, a member here, bought a new 20 gauge Fowler, from member Mike Brooks, and worked up his loads using only OS cards. He puts in his powder charge, then 4 OS cards, with some lube between the #3 and #4 cards, then his shot charge, and then 2 OS cards. He pokes off-center holes in the cards, to let air pass through them, rather than turning edges as they are seated in the barrel. This stops the " dieseling" that new smoothbore shooters experiencing trying to get their wads down the barrel.

I go one step beyond, or different than Jim, and omit the grease between the 3rd and 4th cards, but use a greased cleaning patch on my jag when I seat the 2 OS cards on the shot charge. This:

(1)lubes the entire length of the barrel in front of the charge, protecting the bore from rusting during long waits while hunting. It also

(2)allows the wads and shot to slide over the bore, rather than rubbing against them, and leaving lead deposits in the barrel. And, of course, its there to

(3) soften the powder residue for easy cleaning between shots.

I am shooting a 70 grain charge of FFg powder and 1 oz. of #5 shot for shooting large birds, like pheasants, and for turkey, If I go. For dove and other small birds, I am using the same charge but #8 shot. If its a windy, blustery day, I will change to #7 1/2 shot for better patterns. I may also be reducing that powder charge down to 65 grains after I do some more patterning with the gun.

Because of some pictures posted today showing the improvement to patterns by using a shot buffer consisting of " Jiffy " brand corn mix, I am going to begin testing that buffer in my gun to see if I can't tighten up the patterns from my cylinder bore gun even more. If it works, I will mention it here, too.

Don't expect velocities similar to what is obtained using smokeless powder cartridges in choked barrels. You are not going to get those velocites, and high velocity tends to blow open the patterns quickly because of the lack of choke. To get killing power on a bird at 30 yards and beyond, with a BP shotgun of any kind, you have to use heavier shot sizes than you would with a modern gun. The larger shot pellets carry pellet energy longer and deliver it to the target well.

But, don't expect your gun to be a 45 or longer yardage gun. I have seen men using modern guns with extra full choke break targets-- and, yes-- shoot at pheasants out at 60 yards and longer, and occasionally bring one down-- But any cylinder bore BP shotgun or fowler should be considered a 25-30 yard gun MAX! You have to know your yardages, and you have to choose short range shots to kill game. Because of the shorter ranges, the larger shot sizes do very well, and the fewer pellets does not leave large holes in the patterns at these short yardage distance.

A Black Powder fowler should be patterned at 25 yards, then checked at 20 yards, and again at 30 yards to see what happens to the patterns at these distances. Inside 20 yards, your real problem is NOT blowing the bird into swiss cheese. ( I purpose hold a bit to one side or another to hit close birds with the side of my patterns, and not the center). ( Oh, if you do mangle a bird, they still make great "Stir-Fry Pheasant!" Don't throw the bird away.)

If you find a load that still patterns tight at 30 yards, go back to 35 yards and check the pattern there, also. Now, put a steel can out at that longest range, and fire a shot at it. See if the pellets are penetration the can, or just bounding off. If the pellets bounce off, I would reduce the yardage for that shot size until I find a distance where the shot penetrates the can. Or, of course, you move to a larger size shot.

For comparison, one oz of # 8 shot has 410 pellets in it; #7 1/2 Shot has 350 pellets; #6 shot has 225 pellets; and #5 shot has 170 pellets in the ounce.

The nice thing about shooting any ML shotgun or fowler, is that you can customize the load with each shot fired. For instance, for a 20 gauge, you can use 1 1/4 oz. and that will give you 212 pellets to fill your pattern almost as well as you get with that 1 oz of #6 shot.

PLEASE, don't try to make your 20 gauge fowler into some kind of magnum shotgun. Its not. :thumbsup:
 
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BrownBear said:
I'd be blushing if I was in your shoes, Wattsy. A conical! A sub powder! A musket cap! Heck I bet you even stoop to using a receiver sight. Shame!!

How can you look yourself in the mirror? :wink:


Are you saying that this gun dose NOT have the 1 in 28 twist? :shocked2: :shocked2:

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

Im sorry and YES i'm :redface: :redface: :redface:
 
Hi fergie,

You're going to love your TVM. I have a Lancaster with that same 42" .50 Long Hammock barrel as you will have on your Southern rifle.

Mine does very well with 70 grains of 3f Goex under a .015 patched .490 roundball.

When shooting roundball from a smoothbore, I am a believer in fiber-cushion wads. They seem to give a little, which allows the ball to sink into them a bit. This helps to keep the ball centered as it moves up the bore. Most guys I know seem to do best with that ball patched, but I haven't been able to tell much of a difference myself. Just my experience.

Sounds like you have a whole bunch of fun ahead of you with a couple of pretty nice guns.

:hatsoff:
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