I did a bad, bad thing. Need help.

[Recoil Rob]

Through my own sheer stupidity I have the following problem to contend with.

The bore of my Austin & Halleck 50cal. 420 has two Cleanshot pellets stuck BETWEEN two Barnes expanders in sabots.

From the breech I have,
breech plug - Barnes sabot & bullet - 2 Cleanshot pellets - Barnes sabot & bullet.

Questions,

Does anyone make a bullet puller that works with the Barnes hollow point Expanders? I can't screw my regular bullet puller into the copper Barnes bullet.

Any chance the Cleanshot will detonate just from pressure?

If not, will a Barnes saboted bullet fit out through the breech end if I hammer the whole mess through with a rod from the muzzle?

I can also try to hammer it out from the breech end but it seems that the two sabots won't budge, I'm just compressing the Cleanshot.

I have the means to pull the barrel but would rather not if possible. 3 days left in the season and I'm stuck, any help appreciated.

Thanks,

Rob

 

[mloader40]

Pull the breach plug and see if it looks to be the same diameter as the bore. If the breach plug is the same dia., I think it should be, remove the pellet then the sabot, repeat for the other load.
Good Luck, let me know how it works out.
bpwrl.

 

[Blizzard of '93]

Soak it in hot water to kill the powder charge before you much beatin' on it for safety sake. Compressed air won't push it out?

 

[olgreenhead]

Water wont do a dang thing it wont get past the sabots . If you were shooting a patched round ball you would not have this problem . :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

 

[davy]

Sounds like a job for a grease gun with a zerk fitting attached in place of the percussion nipple.

I would first wet her down though with a soaking of either water, or a thin penetrating oil, then push her out by fillin her with grease and letting the hydralic pressure of the filling grease move that mess out ta the barrel! :hatsoff:

Davy

 

[faw3]

Davy ya got a killer idea that just may work. If it dont Id drill (with lots of cold water in barrel a hole from breach end to start a bullet puller. Hittinf it out is going to expand that bullet, we are in the Twilight Zone on this one, got to be a first on here, but Id bet your not the first. Fred :hatsoff:

 

[Zonie]

As the 420 is one of those "other" guns, I shouldn't say it, but I don't understand why you don't remove the breech plug and just push the saboted bullets (with the powder between them) back up the bore and out of the muzzle.
I would think that a good steel cleaning rod will fit thru the breech of the barrel if the breech plug wasn't there.

Must be something I don't understand going on here.

zonie

 

[walruskid1]

zonie, i think he's worried about detonation. i agree with just removing the breechplug and pushing the load out from the muzzle end.

 

[Zonie]

Being somewhat unfamiliar with Cleanshot I may be wrong however I am not aware of any black powder or black power substitute that will detonate from being subjected to large amounts of pressure.
Folks load compressed loads in cartridges all of the time. In fact, some of the psudo-black powders work best when highly compressed. (I suppose that explains why the "pellets" seem to work?)

zonie

 

[Pittsburghunter]

If this is an inline put some water down the touch hole of your breech plug then remove it after it sits for a few minutes. Most inlines have threads greater than bore size so you should be able to push the whole mess out. Then clean and dry as normal and get back to business.

If this isn't an inline what Davy said should work fine.

 

[Recoil Rob]

I just realized I'm in the wrong place for this but thanks for the help just the same. It's an inline.

I have pulled the breech plug and tried pushing the mess out the breech and it doesn't want to go out that end. i haven't tried hitting the rod with a hammer as I had concerns about detonation. What I think is happening is that a lot of the energy is going into compressing the pellets and not getting through to the second bullet.

I think that the sabots will not allow water to pass through to the pellets, too tight.

I may have to pull the barrel and drill into the base of the sabot/bullet and put a screw in and pull it out the breech.

Bonehead move, but a first eh? :cursing:

 

[Walks with fire]

Wow; what a mess! I think I would put a bunch of penetrating oil in on top of all that and let it sit for a while. Heck it would probably seep by the plastic sabot into the charge. I don't know for sure but I doubt the oil would make the charge any more volitile than it already is.

I would then take the barrel off and put it in a vise and remove the breech plug and hammer the whole mess out the muzzle end from the breech with a brass rod. Now in today's legal society this is not to be taken as advice in any way; but it's probably what I would do but I would still be a bit uneasy about it all.

I would be more concerned with drilling creating a spark or enough heat to set off the charge than compressing the charge. If the sabots fit so tight that the charge pellets can't go out the sides of the sabot then it should be possible to hammer the whole deal out the muzzle.

 

[Recoil Rob]

Problem solved.
Normally I don't like to publicize my own dumbass moves but in the interest it may prevent someone else....well probably not here :winking:

Started hunting with the inline last year. At the end of the day, rather than fire the load and have to clean the gun I would de-cap, unscrew the breech plug and the two pellets would drop out. Next time I went hunting I would put the two pellets back in from the breech end, screw in the plug, cap and go.

Apparently at the end of last season I Ieft a saboted bullet in the gun. Today, not realizing it was there I dropped in two pellets and seated another saboted bullet. The ramrod came up short, I gave it a little extra push and it seated about another inch or so but was still short. When I unscrewed the breech plug I saw the back of the first sabot and realized what I had done. I now had two pellets between two bullets.

I sprayed WD-40 down the bore and tried forcing the mess through from both ends but what was happening was the pellets were compressing enough to lock the whole mass in the bore. I had to get one of the bullets out.

Luckily the Barnes bullets are hollow points. I took a piece of threaded rod that was slightly oversized to the hollow point and ground the first few threads enough to let it center in the hollow point. I dropped it down the bore, (shimmed to protect the crown) it centered, I tapped a few times and the turned the threaded rod into the hollow point. I got about 1-1/2 turns in but that was enough to pull the lead bullet out of the sabot. Then I took the ramrod and tapped the original sabot from the breech end. The lead sabot and pellets dropped out as one mass. Then I was able to tap the rear sabot & bullet through.

Thanks to all for the support and not making me feel like too much of a DUMBASS!

Rob

 

[wszumera]

The greasegun suggestion is the one to go with. It puts out way more pressure than a CO2 discharger.

If you go around to real autoparts stores, you should be able to find a needle greaser. There are two types, one which looks like a syringe needle and the other that is used to stick directly into a zerk opening for hard to get to fittings.

A little work with a grinder would make the syring work in a pinch.

You will have to hold it tight into the bottom of nipple and it would help to have a buddy pump the gun since your hands will be forcing the needle against the bottom of the nipple.

Clutch

 

[wszumera]

Didn't see your solved post before I replied.

There are three kinds of shooters.

Those that have screwed up, those that will, and those that keep doing it over again. :redface:

Clutch

 

[Juice Jaws]

thats what happens when you shoot those new ML. :blah:

 

[walruskid1]

hey recoil rob, stick around. you may learn a few tricks or develop the urge to go traditional. we can only hope! :hmm: :grin:

 

[Gemoke]

DAVY your right about the grease gun I had to use this method once and it works great.

 

[bnail]

Send it to Squire Robin, seems he's already tooled up for this sort of thing. :winking:

 

[Many Klatch]

I see that you managed to pull the balls in an interesting way, congratulations and welcome to the forum. :hatsoff:

I wanted to add a sad story about trying to drill a hole in the projectile before attaching a screw.

A buddy of mine, dryballed in his chunk gun. Loading this patch and ball combination involves beating it in with a 4 pound hammer. There is no "pulling" of the ball. Well, it was the end of the day and alcohol was involved in what happened next. He and his buddy attached a drill to the end of the ramrod and tried to put a hole in the patched ball. Unfortunately, what they did was drill into the rifling. :shake:

Eventually they got the ball out but he had to send the barrel to Ed Rayl to be redrilled and rerifled. When Ed gave him his newly rifled barrel back, he also gave him a baggy full of steel wool, that was the old lining of his rifle. :haha:

The moral of the story is, that if you ever try drilling a hole into a stuck ball, make sure there is a bore sized washer right behind the drill to ensure that the hole goes into the ball where it is supposed to and not the barrel.

Many Klatch