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RonRC said:
Major Point: Movies and TVs can make a BIG difference
Ron
That's a good point Ron.... :thumbsup:
Movies can certainly influence sales....Advertisers know this...It also takes millions of dollars to make a movie, requiring many investors.....Investors looking for a return on that investment. :hmm:
 
colorado clyde said:
RonRC said:
Major Point: Movies and TVs can make a BIG difference
Ron
That's a good point Ron.... :thumbsup:
Movies can certainly influence sales....Advertisers know this...It also takes millions of dollars to make a movie, requiring many investors.....Investors looking for a return on that investment. :hmm:

Yeah, I agree. Look at all the lawyer and cop shows of the recent decades. Law schools and police academies are brimming with applicants, as are med schools. It's also part of the reason the DoD often cooperates with movie makers so much in making them---if they like the way the military is portrayed in them that is.

I wonder if the most recent ML'er movie; "The Revenant will have a boosting effect on ML'er interest? Jeremiah Johnson sure did.
 
Col. Batguano said:
I wonder if the most recent ML'er movie; "The Revenant will have a boosting effect on ML'er interest? Jeremiah Johnson sure did.

Two completely different movies...
Jeremiah Johnson has the iconic lines about " he wanted a 50 cal Hawken but settled for a 30.." and he got the gun from Hatchet Jack ...."a genuine Hawken 50 cal".....which was then followed scenes of him dropping deer and elk with a single shot and slaying the mightiest of crow warriors....
It's an advertisers dream......

I don't think the revenant will have much impact...but time will tell.
 
Well, I still have a neatly trimmed beard but have not gotten fat. I did use to be extremely lean and fit because I was so physically active and had to stay that way because of what I did. It's different, now. That's why I've gained some unwanted pounds. My appearance doesn't suggest muzzleloading to be a bunch of old, fat bearded guy's hobby; for that I'm delighted. :hatsoff:
 
Same. That movie came out two years ago. It'd already have had an impact by now. Leo got his nod, ate some livers, it's all good in Hollyweird! But for us BP guys? I don't think anything will ever bring it back like Jeremiah did!
 
Jeremiah Johnson is one of my top favorite movies, but in my case it was a good friend giving me a CVA hawken that actually got me interested.

I know movies have had a big impact on my shooting friends, they want the guns they see on the big screen and most all confess they are to lazy to deal with loading and shooting muzzle loaders especially cleaning afterwards.
 
Many feel that the sport is to hard to master, to dirty and not fun. One thing our ML/BP shooting club used to do to debunk that myth was to have a free public shooting day twice a year. Bring your own gun or shoot one of our members. We'd shoot our "woods walk" course and shoot easier novelty targets. It's shady and cooler and more out of the ordinary shooting scene. We'd set up a couple camps and explain all the different related activities other than shooting that the whole family can enjoy. We'd have kids games for youngin's. Most of us can clean a gun in 5 to 10 minutes which is way less than most people think and are amazed at the ease we do it with. We keep informing the statement,"It gets easier with a little practice and more practice. We throw hawk and knife and shoot primitive bows, flint and steel and other craft events. Give them the whole feel. Oh, and yes our insurances covered us for the scheduled event for our club. OH, we do put out a donation jar. If you do this type event, to be successful, you need to ADVERTISE; posters around the area, at gun store, restaurants, anywhere they'll let you put them (go collect them up when event is over, it make good will with your contacts). The only way to promote our sport is to live it and not try to ram it home. If you're good at something and are cocky about it, no-one wants to be around you. But, if your good at something and show your love of it and are more than willing to share info and instruct, you'll have an attentive audience that won't want to leave, and that's the true way to promote.
 
I've never really minded cleanin' my guns & always accepted it as part of the price ya pay for participatin' in this wonderful pastime. but, bein' sorta lazy at heart, if I could change one thing it would be to make real black powder be as harmless to the gun as smokeless.

and I agree we need more young folks to get involved in the sport. I have three grown sons myself and while they all shoot & own guns none of the three have any interest in BP. keep hopin' to change that but, no luck so far.
 
It took me a lot of years to develop a painless method of cleaning....Cleaning is also the hardest thing for me to teach newbies.....There's just a certain amount of "knowledge gained from experience" that is required.
 
Dear Mr. G.W.I have to agree with most of the post on this topic, I too have an issue with flinters vs. cap locks. I, myself shoot a cap lock and cherish the time I can squirrel away from lifes demands to shoot "Tink", that's my rifle. If I could change one thing about our devotion to shooting black powder it would be for the media to quit referring to our firearms as primitive weapons. The firearms we shoot, hunt with and enjoy are just as functional as any center fire firearm made. As for a season of "Flint locks only" is pretty narrow minded. It took me 48 years to finally buy Tink without the feeling of taking something from my family or friends in need, and then I bought a Lyman GPR in .54 and, well let's say it was love at first sight. I would like to see Wyoming have a "Traditional" black powder season, not for bragging rights but to let the Traditional black powder hunters enjoy the hunt without having to compete with hunters using modern firearms. In all fairness I have nothing against the modern front stuffers, but when you can shoot, hit, and humanly harvest an animal at over 200 yards, that, in my opinion is not what muzzle loading hunts are about. Well enough of my rambling for tonight, Keep Your Powder Dry, and may God Bless each and everyone of you.
 
colorado clyde said:
Cleaning is also the hardest thing for me to teach newbies.....


That is a good one. Cleaning can be daunting to a new individual for sure, but like I say, muzzleloading arms absolutely will not tolerate a lazy cleaning regime! It's a very high priority skill and one I sometimes wish would be a bit easier... However, after a days shoot it's rather relaxing sitting by the crackling fire with a good pipe in hand cleaning away!
 
Make a pre- 1864 muzzeloading hunting season, the season would run about the same length as the Ohio bow season does, with only one deer allowed with the muzzleloader.
I'd also like to see a really good, action packed, well written movie made about Simon Kenton. Movies are very influential in many age groups.
I hate to say it, but our sport is very limited to the type of people it attracts. Take this forum for example, some people come and stay for a long time... While others get the information they need, get bored with the sport, or get ticked off because someone here insulted them... Then they bug out never to be heard from again. To overcome this we need exposure of sorts. Maybe as a part of the school curriculum, or Boy Scouts it should be taught as a class, Along with the primitive skills that would cover the time period....?
Till then I'm pretty happy with simply shooting my rifle, making my own stuff and being the only guy on the block that shoots round balls.... :v
 
I would love to hear of a 5-10 minute cleaning method! It takes me about 30 and I thought that wasn't bad.

As for the sport, I'm a young guy. Seeing as most BP guys are older (it's just true no offense) I see myself as carrying on the tradition. I think we need to bring the youths to this sport more than anything. I fear if not in 20-30 years it will be unpopular and even more arcane than it is now. Lots of knowledge will go to the dust if it isn't passed on to the young peoples.
 
1. Very few (and getting fewer all the time)retail venues where an introduction to the sport could occur. The big-box outdoor stores attract outdoor enthusiasts of all kinds, which to my way of thinking are the most likely participants to develop an interest in muzzle-loading.

2. Pretty minimal mainstream exposure, movies, tv, etc.

3. Very little access to outdoor ranges that allow/encourage bp shooting.
 
I really agree with the last one. Suitable ranges aren't easy to come by. Our local outdoor range is used by black powder shooters but it isn't a pleasant experience much of the time. Shooting a muzzleloader around all the rapid fire crowd feels a bit like riding a horse on the interstate!
 
Something I've thought about for a while...

You know those mag-spark adapters that let you use a contained primer in a housing that just about amounts to converting a percussion firearm to some sort of a interim pre-cartridge configuration?
Well, I'd like to see 1858 Remington cylinders that would provide the spaces for a mag-spark on each chamber. Oh, and yeah, as long as I'm day dreaming the revolver would use .53 round ball.

Which reminds me that I need to rummage around in the toy box for the mag-spark I'm putting on Navarone, the 38" barrel .52 bore.
 
I'd like to see more primitive biathlon type events. I see 100-200 people at some of them up here in little old Vermont.

Here's one of the great mistakes of marketing: Selling to yourself. I see it all the time, especially in the tech startup field. "This is what is important to us, so we'll advertise that." What is important to the seller is often not what is important or relevant to the buyer.

I'm 55, with a head of gray hair, and I'm one of the younger people who shows up to the shoots around here. Older people tend towards a more sedentary event. Younger people, especially around here, are much more athletic.

At the biathlons I see plenty of graybeards, but also younger folks who pass me on the trail at a run. Think about the opening scene of Last of the Mohicans. Now imagine the hero running past a three-toed sloth with a matchlock musket; that's me.

There are a lot of people who do triathlons, marathons, Spartan runs, and the like who are outdoorsy and might make a lateral move into muzzleloading + athletics. I know a local guy who does Spartan runs and primitive biathlon and shows up at shoots. We need more like him.

Those of us with "experienced" knee cartilage might have to content ourselves with volunteering at such events, but it could be a source of new blood.
 
I'd like to see more inexpensive MLs on the market. While not the best allot of people can't or won't buy a ML at todays prices. I know I likely wouldn't have got started in the sport if I couldn't get a gun in my price range.
 

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