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Yep, I have a Browning .223 cal Bolt action Rifle with a Miroku Barrel, and doubt whether they ever made a poor quality one.
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Yep, I have a Browning .223 cal Bolt action Rifle with a Miroku Barrel, and doubt whether they ever made a poor quality one.
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Unfortunately, I find that I'm still perfectly capable of making those blunders. One of my (somewhat costly) habits is that I've always tended to "overbuy" in terms of tool capability and quality -- though it's true that I still have some of the tools I had when I was 12 years old. I've been trying to cut back on that over the past 20 years or so, but it's very difficult. I've been having a pretty good success rate with Harbor Freight power tools (the stationary ones, at least), except for the incident where the drywall screw driver burst into clouds of smoke the first time I pulled the trigger on it.
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Yeah ... National origin of firearms (and other things) isn't a fully reliable guide to quality. Well, I mean, except for stuff from India -- pretty much across the board.
Spanish guns, barrels, etc.? One word: Bergara.
Yeah, this is (mostly) true -- though sometimes you get more than what you pay for and sometimes you get less and then spend time trying to convince yourself that you did get what you paid for.
But that aside, the real question is why we're paying for it. Are we paying for it (at least primarily) in order to use it and enjoy that use? Or are we paying for it in order to possess it and enjoy just having it. Everybody goes both ways on this. I have an 1872 US Cavalry light saber hanging on my fireplace that I just enjoy possessing. I never use it, and in fact it doesn't have an edge on it. But I really like it hanging there. I have a couple of rifles (WWII Swedish Mauser and a Swiss K31) that I mostly just enjoy having, but also enjoy shooting on occasion. I have a 1924 American (Buescher) Eb tuba that's a chunk of history and that I also enjoy playing, and I have a 1960s vintage Czech rotary valve "oval euphonium" that hangs on the wall and looks cool. But my "instruments for use" (tuba and bass trombone) are Chinese because they're affordable and they work really well. I have maybe a total of $3,500 in them while to buy the the "real" ones that they're cloned from would easily have cost me at least five times that much.
In terms of my BP stuff ... What got me into BP was that I inherited my Lyman GPR from my older son and started shooting it -- just to see what that experience was like. While it looks nice hanging on the wall, it's for use and partly for possession because it was his. My Traditions Crockett rifle is primarily for use, but also looks nice hanging on the wall. Both of these are perfectly functional, may not be up to "custom" or "handmade" standards, but that's not why I have them. In all of these, did I get what I paid for? Absolutely. Am I happy with that? Absolutely.
To launch some YouTube (or social media) jihad where you dump on the quality of commercially manufactured items (of any sort) in favor of custom made ones is just silly (I don't actually have a better word for it
Gee, doubleset, this is a simple tread about the reliability of well made or poorly made mechanical devices! How is the philosophical part as to why own them has to do with anything! I am sorry, this is one of the reason I don’t follow as much any more, I want to stay away from politics, religion, philosophy and anything that will spark ambition for any real knowledge! I am being facetious but you know what I mean!!Yeah, this is (mostly) true -- though sometimes you get more than what you pay for and sometimes you get less and then spend time trying to convince yourself that you did get what you paid for.
But that aside, the real question is why we're paying for it. Are we paying for it (at least primarily) in order to use it and enjoy that use? Or are we paying for it in order to possess it and enjoy just having it. Everybody goes both ways on this. I have an 1872 US Cavalry light saber hanging on my fireplace that I just enjoy possessing. I never use it, and in fact it doesn't have an edge on it. But I really like it hanging there. I have a couple of rifles (WWII Swedish Mauser and a Swiss K31) that I mostly just enjoy having, but also enjoy shooting on occasion. I have a 1924 American (Buescher) Eb tuba that's a chunk of history and that I also enjoy playing, and I have a 1960s vintage Czech rotary valve "oval euphonium" that hangs on the wall and looks cool. But my "instruments for use" (tuba and bass trombone) are Chinese because they're affordable and they work really well. I have maybe a total of $3,500 in them while to buy the the "real" ones that they're cloned from would easily have cost me at least five times that much.
In terms of my BP stuff ... What got me into BP was that I inherited my Lyman GPR from my older son and started shooting it -- just to see what that experience was like. While it looks nice hanging on the wall, it's for use and partly for possession because it was his. My Traditions Crockett rifle is primarily for use, but also looks nice hanging on the wall. Both of these are perfectly functional, may not be up to "custom" or "handmade" standards, but that's not why I have them. In all of these, did I get what I paid for? Absolutely. Am I happy with that? Absolutely.
To launch some YouTube (or social media) jihad where you dump on the quality of commercially manufactured items (of any sort) in favor of custom made ones is just silly (I don't actually have a better word for it
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That part isn't philosophical -- it's practical. And I'm squinting at it now, but can't see any politics or religion in it either. But never mind that.
What puzzles me is a complaint that you've wasted your time reading something when it would have been so easy to just stop reading it and ignore it. I do that all the time. If you find someone on social media whose contributions you in general don't want to waste your time on, then just don't read it. If you don't want to see it, then just use the "ignore" button. But don't start eating the meal, continue through all the courses and the dessert, and then complain to the management about how awful it was. That's just nutty -- or at least a serious problem in self control.
And by the way, inserting TWO copies of a posting in your response, plus another posting you aren't actually responding to, is always a waste of time.
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Amusing reference, the Curry Poppers! I guess you mean India-made guns? Gotta remember that one. I'm not expert on them, but I have a nice older India Brown Bess that I would not hesitate to shoot live, although I've not done so yet on that particular one. Have a great Spring!
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As Ed McMahon would say, "You are correct, Sir!"At a recent shoot I attended, I shot two Traditions guns and an Investarms gun. Traditions is imported from Spain and Investarms is imported from Italy. The locks on these guns worked flawlessly with no issues (both flint and percussion). It seems like a gross overgeneralization to call all imported locks junk in my eyes
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I'm a natural mechanic , by home grown skill , from about age six. ( 75 yrs. now.). Professionally ,I was educated and worked as an electro -mechanical engineer. My first efforts fooling around with m/l guns , were all made in Spain and Italy. I put 4 Italian Brown Bess kits together for a F/I era fort. My saved lunch money allowed me to build one of them , for me to learn from , and hunt small game with. SOOO........when an almost new Spanish made .45 cal. longrifle ,was in the Used Gun rack ,my attention was riveted on it. Assessing why it was in the rack , with the price of $35 on it resulted in finding it had been shot enough times firing salutes , until the bore was plugged 1/3 of it's length with ash. I cleaned it up , took it to the range and shock set in. off the bench , she would hit a heart/lung area of an archery target at 100 yds. I was smitten with this little Spanish beauty. Junk it was not. About 160+ m/l guns later , I'm still thankful for that little Spanish rifle. It was long traded away ,but the fond memory of it still lingers to tell it's story at hunting camp , when someone asks , what was your first m/l rifle?..........oldwood
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Having a full size Bronco that was built on a Monday it sure lived up to the two acronyms I'm familiar with..FORD -> Fix Or Repair Daily ... FORD -> Found On Road Dead --- Both applied to mine
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I had to use some of the junk from over seas. I never liked my Anshultz 1710 or my Browning deluxe BL .22 . I won a bunch ot shoots with my Anshultz and in my trick shot shows my Brownng BL .22, made in Japan worked flawlessly? I guess that isn't good enough? My Italian made Navy Hawkin still performs without a problem? They are all junk! I wish I could afford more of their junk! LOL!
Not mine, heard it the first time I saw one. I don’t own an Indian made gun, but the ones I’ve seen have been nice though a tad heavy and shot well. I’ve thought long and hard about the dog lock fowler
My apologies to you sir for wasting your time, I stand corrected! Keep it up!!That part isn't philosophical -- it's practical. And I'm squinting at it now, but can't see any politics or religion in it either. But never mind that.
What puzzles me is a complaint that you've wasted your time reading something when it would have been so easy to just stop reading it and ignore it. I do that all the time. If you find someone on social media whose contributions you in general don't want to waste your time on, then just don't read it. If you don't want to see it, then just use the "ignore" button. But don't start eating the meal, continue through all the courses and the dessert, and then complain to the management about how awful it was. That's just nutty -- or at least a serious problem in self control.
And by the way, inserting TWO copies of a posting in your response, plus another posting you aren't actually responding to, is always a waste of time.
Over the decades since modern-made M/L's came on the scene, we've seen a large assortment of guns offered by manufacturers. Some historically accurate down to the smallest detail, others more closely related to pot metal cap pistols or 8th grade school shop projects.
Two constants remain - every one was created to make someone a profit, so when that failed, the items disappeared. Second - junk remains junk - no matter where it was made or who made it. Most of what's been offered for sale would go "bang" for a while, even if it looked strange. In the end, you get what you pay for.
Two constants remain - every one was created to make someone a profit, so when that failed, the items disappeared. Second - junk remains junk - no matter where it was made or who made it. Most of what's been offered for sale would go "bang" for a while, even if it looked strange. In the end, you get what you pay for.
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I'm still enjoying my 2008 Toyota Land Cruiser here, best vehicle I've ever owned.
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Indian made Brown Besses feature crappy Lock internals, you can expect anything threaded to work loose contributing to premature ignition etc; I've witnessed more than a couple over time.
Locktite can help but keep checking those internals after every shoot.
well put Dave
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I would just use it as a smoothbore until I could replace the barrel.
