India Barrel Failure

[PathfinderNC]

This is a re-post from Kapszli.hu - Capandball.com. as posted on Facebook.
An interesting discussion on the failure of a barrel from an Indian made and imported Doglock pistol to Europe.
The text reads:
"Barrel of an Indian made doglock pistol repro after - unsuccessful - CIP proofing. Wasn't strong enough. / Indiai készítésű kovás pisztoly replika csöve - sikertelen - CIP próba után. Nem volt elég erős.
("Barrel of an Indian made doglock pistol repro after - unsuccessful - CIP proofing. Wasn't strong enough. / Replica pipe of forged pistol made in India - unsuccessful - after CIP trial. It wasn't strong enough.")

The .50 cal rifle proof charge is 13 gram (200.6 grain) powder and 24 gram (370 grain) projectile. The conversion of gram to grain: 1 grain = 0.0648 gram

NOTE: This is what happened when being Proofed (in a CIP Member country) , not by a customer.

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[ArmorerRoy]

Shouldn’t that have blown up at the breech if it was loaded right. That looks like fake news.

 

[Aglukan]

This is a re-post from Kapszli.hu - Capandball.com. as posted on Facebook.
An interesting discussion on the failure of a barrel from an Indian made and imported Doglock pistol to Europe.
The text reads:
"Barrel of an Indian made doglock pistol repro after - unsuccessful - CIP proofing. Wasn't strong enough. / Indiai készítésű kovás pisztoly replika csöve - sikertelen - CIP próba után. Nem volt elég erős.
("Barrel of an Indian made doglock pistol repro after - unsuccessful - CIP proofing. Wasn't strong enough. / Replica pipe of forged pistol made in India - unsuccessful - after CIP trial. It wasn't strong enough.")

The .50 cal rifle proof charge is 13 gram (200.6 grain) powder and 24 gram (370 grain) projectile. The conversion of gram to grain: 1 grain = 0.0648 gram

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Oh my not a good feeling

 

[Whitworth]

Shouldn’t that have blown up at the breach if it was loaded right. That looks like fake news.

How about made from reclaimed scrap metal.

 

[PathfinderNC]

Shouldn’t that have blown up at the breech if it was loaded right. That looks like fake news.

It burst at the forend of the barrel section where it is round (The breech area is octagon shaped)

 

[earlwb]

Yeah that does look like the bullet wasn’t seated in all the way. Or an obstruction somehow got in the barrel.

 

[Commodore Swab]

Looks like something wrong or the "powder" wasn't black powder.

 

[Flint62Smoothie]

I agree, this is not a fault of the barrel, this is a fault of the loading.

In my possession - and posted on HERE before - I have 2 Indian tested barrels, one from HP White, the famous testing laboratory, that only blew when it had 8 !!!!!!!! blank 100-grain charges down the barrel and the other one from a guy who tested Indian ‘DOM’ barrels up to 300 or 400 or 500 grains, before it burst!

 

[PathfinderNC]

Looks like something wrong or the "powder" wasn't black powder.

It states that this was the results of CIP Barrel Proofing. And yes, "something wrong" indeed

 

[PathfinderNC]

It states that this was the results of Barrel Proofing. And yes, "something wrong" indeed

Here is the link if you use Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/KapszliCap...VZZMVBYvdsqOmZv3YYvQemRfT27ouC&__tn__=-UC,P-R

 

[Commodore Swab]

Sorry no Facebook as I do not approve of their antigun stance.

 

[ArmorerRoy]

After 54 years I’m surprised I still have all my fingers and toes. Guns are dangerous

 

[Tumbledown]

Isn't proofing usually done with 2x the maximum powder charge? 200gn of powder sounds excessive for a 50cal pistol, like 3-4x. Plus an extremely heavy bullet.

 

[Billy Boy]

After 54 years I’m surprised I still have all my fingers and toes. Guns are dangerous

Try not to stand in front of one..

 

[Relic shooter]

Rigged barrel failure story.
Throughout my 60+ years building & shooting muzzleloaders I've observed a few barrel failures as shown
in the photo above & those were caused by not seating the projectile on the powder charge or having an additional
restriction in or near the muzzle.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

Here is the link if you use Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/KapszliCapandball?__cft__[0]=AZXpJbxaYsWbJq8lcc7YmPn1aKTLV6TMWJCtmRYiO715EFEcCXf80QN3mg-n83xiyFrZjHuf-lmkFxkVQo9yyNNHO41q5vG8oG9FJ6KyolaaPhUYIwSIwWYCunqDp12hn2yXEvC-e3lhJ5GpqNW184ITdWKSa1m6EA1xEUsx4lYGRHjnqG2stXaMhZVZZMVBYvdsqOmZv3YYvQemRfT27ouC&__tn__=-UC,P-R

Something REALLY wrong here.

FIRST, the CIP does NOT have universally standardized proofing tests for black powder. Each CIP facility is free to establish their own procedure, to determine if that particular CIP facility will place its stamp(s) on the barrel. YET, the facebook page claims that the testing was done as universally specified by the CIP which it only is with modern cartridges, NOT black powder.

SECOND, I find it odd that they do not mention the proofing house that was used. Once CIP proofed, that proof is good in any CIP signatory nation. So that barrel was not necessarily proofed and failed in the country where the facebook page originates.

There is more to this story than we are being told. I wonder if the barrel information was provided second hand.

LD

 

[Commodore Swab]

Looks like an attempt at bad mouthing guns out of India. With tens of thousands of these guns of various styles many of which are in the hands of inexperienced shooters there should be countless failures and accidents. Every failure I have seen this included can be contributed to operator error, wrong powder, obstructions ect. Any barrel can be blown up and I wouldn't be surprised if the India made barrels were subjected to more attempts than any other.

 

[Sam squanch]

Good or bad- pull the breech plug on any India gun you wish to shoot, just in the name of safety.

 

[springfield art]

This is a re-post from Kapszli.hu - Capandball.com. as posted on Facebook.
An interesting discussion on the failure of a barrel from an Indian made and imported Doglock pistol to Europe.
The text reads:
"Barrel of an Indian made doglock pistol repro after - unsuccessful - CIP proofing. Wasn't strong enough. / Indiai készítésű kovás pisztoly replika csöve - sikertelen - CIP próba után. Nem volt elég erős.
("Barrel of an Indian made doglock pistol repro after - unsuccessful - CIP proofing. Wasn't strong enough. / Replica pipe of forged pistol made in India - unsuccessful - after CIP trial. It wasn't strong enough.")

The .50 cal rifle proof charge is 13 gram (200.6 grain) powder and 24 gram (370 grain) projectile. The conversion of gram to grain: 1 grain = 0.0648 gram

NOTE: This is what happened when being Proofed (in a CIP Member country) , not by a customer.

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200 grains? Sounds excessive even for a proof. You can blow anything up if you try hard enough. Plus it's a pistol, shouldn't need a huge charge anyway. JMO

 

[yellowhammer]

Only firearm barrel failure I ever witnessed personally was when my cousin blew up an inappropriately loaded (hint hint) old shotgun. Peeled back like a banana. Last bp ml failures I remember hearing about were the Lyman breech plugs blowing out... Never heard of a recent bp ml barrel banana peeling, but I can understand it occurring in guns manufactured with poor quality control...