inlines regulated to regular deer season

[musketman]

If a hunter (or anyone, for that matter) doesn't like the way the laws are set up regarding muzzleloading season and the weapons allowed (or not allowed), contact your state representative, that's what they are for...

You have the power of vote...

 

[Ohio Joe]

"musketman", you are right!

 

In most states thet have "muzzleloader seasons", the inline muzzleloader was developed AFTER a muzzleloader season was already "in place".

There is no basis for that statement. ML seasons exist to manage game populations and as a state revenue stream, little else. They are not propellant-based seasons, most deer are harvested inside 100 yards, and no one has the right to take anyone else to task who is hunting in a lawful manner.

 

[musketman]

One must also remember that scoped muzzleloaders were used during the Civil War, so there is historic proof that they did exist in percussion side locks...

Scoped muzzleloaders can clearly be seen in this Civil War picture, so the concept is nothing new, 1860's technology...

In between battles, one can almost bet the sharp shooters shot deer to help feed themselves...

 

[musketman]

In reading the post from the big debate over the inlines and traditional muzzleloaders used during hunting, the topic IS getting a bit heated, so I'm going to ask that bygones be bygones...

There is no right and wrong side here as long as there is more than one person involved, everyone has their view point and that's OK...

"IF" the topic gets out of hand, I may choose to lock the category, just to keep this place friendly, furthermore, I am taking NOBODY's side on this, we all have the right to choose what we want to use...

Again, everyone is to be commended for their beliefs, but the next person has their beliefs too...

 

[Stumpkiller]

So who said the Civil War was fought with primative weapons? They had breech-loaders, machine guns, mines, grenades, etc. Most accounts I've read describe it as the "First Modern War". ::

 

[Deadeye]

Rollingb, I'm with you and the rest of the 20% of the
primitive hunters. While we're at it let's get rid of the 4 wheelers. I see some who claim to be primitive hunters that wear buckskins, pack flinters but ride around on wheelers, not exactly primitive to me. Hunting to me is a completely different thing than what youngsters are being taught these days.

 

[musketman]

So who said the Civil War was fought with primative weapons? They had breech-loaders, machine guns, mines, grenades, etc. Most accounts I've read describe it as the "First Modern War". ::

I never stated that the Civil War was fought using only muzzleloaders...

Yes, they were there, as well as the rimfire cartridges and breech loaders...

I simply stated that the scoped muzzleloader was there as well...

 

[Claude Mathis]

It sounds to me like we have two camps here...

One with an appreciation of history and a desire to recreate and experience that history in the form of "reenacting", "experimental archeology", etc.

The other camp appears to just want to hunt, period. They choose the inline because it gives them one more opportunity to hunt. History does not play a role in their choice of weapons, but that is their choice.

In an attempt to please everyone, I set up the inline category to give inline shooters a place to discuss their choice of weapons. I can see now that "hunting" is the one category where these two camps can collide.

Let's try to remember that we will never change the law with our discussions and neither camp will "see the light". So, let's set a good example for those visiting here and keep it non-personal. (Please) :winking:

 

[Stumpkiller]

Yes, Dad.

But, since this is the "Hunting" category, can we get a seperate one called "Waiting" for those guys that sit in tree stands? (Snicker, snicker)

 

[Rocky Johnson]

If you don't do your hunting for the right place to put your tree stand it could be a real long wait.Rocky /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

Right-on, Musketman - Our new season is for primitive weapons, bows as well as muzzleloaders with: outside hammers, iron sights only and patched round ball.
Daryl

 

[Claude Mathis]

Yes, Dad.

I know, my post did sound a little "parental", but at least I didn't threaten to spank you. :winking: :haha:

 

"The inline muzzleloader industry and the fellas thet buy'em, are the one's who started this "muzzleloader conflict"!!"
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There is no muzzleloader conflict here in Michigan or any other bp/ml website that you don't visit RollingB. Also, I really don't mind your dislike/distaste for inlines. You have the right to remain in a muzzleloading era of yester-year. Most everyone respects that because many shoot both modern & traditional rifles. We just don't walk around saying one is proper & the other one isn't.


"Show me the "numbers" to back up yore claim of "80%"!!"
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As per a gentleman having the first name of Robert. He is the Midwest District Sales Representative for Cabelas Inc. I met him around the end of February while purchasing my Browning BAR .300 WSM. The 80% number is nationwide.

 

[Plains99]

In Kansas the side hammer boys needed the in-line users to back them up to get a special season then decided it should have been side hammer/primitive only. But really there's little chance of going back to primitive only because it would disenfranchise so many dealers and hunters who have made the investment in in-lines. I like hunting with both but do most of my hunting with in-lines. I have no problem with the primitive hunter using his rifle and believe I should be allowed to use mine. If the season requirements were changed I'd dig out a side hammer rifle and probably take as many deer as I do now with round ball or conical. In line performance is greatly exaggerated... especially for whitetail hunting conditions. In Kansas we are limited to mechanical sights only and that in combination with the one-shot capability of the muzzleloader makes the two designs pretty nearly equal in the deer woods.

 

"Show me the "numbers" to back up yore claim of "80%"!!"
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As per a gentleman having the first name of Robert. He is the Midwest District Sales Representative for Cabelas Inc. I met him around the end of February while purchasing my Browning BAR .300 WSM. The 80% number is nationwide.

Maybe thet Robert fella otta talk Cabela's into lower'n ther INFLATED prices on traditional muzzleloaders by 50% in order to compete with places like MidSouth and Natchez!! (I bet ther traditional muzzleloader-sales would increase 500%!!) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Ain't no way a fella is gonna pay $400.00 for a GPR at Cabela's, when he can git the same rifle fer $269.00 at other places!!
The same goes fer all the other "imports" (traditional-style) ther try'n to sell thet cost the same or more, then a good domestic custom riflegun!!

I'll bet ther are more'n 20% of all hunters thet got enuff sense to do a little "shop'n 'round" for the "BEST" prices,... nationwide!! :: /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif (I guess thet don't say much for the other 80% of Cabela's customers does it!! :: :haha: :applause: :haha

 

"Ain't no way a fella is gonna pay $400.00 for a GPR at Cabela's, when he can git the same rifle fer $269.00 at other places!!"
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Who sells a finished GPR for $269??
Who sells a finished GPR for $309??

You'd be shocked to find out how many GPRs Cabelas sells at $400? They sell more than MidSouth who charge $78.44 less.

Yes... many people are not smart shoppers. Many wealthy people (newbie hunters) make Cabelas their first & only place to shop. They don't care about spending an extra $75-$80... it's all about convenience & shopping at an "uppity" store.

 

Plains99,.... If I remember correctly, Kansas introduced ther first muzzleloader season in the late-70's before modern inlines were even offered for sale.

In fact, when Kansas introduced ther first muzzleloader season the "powers-thet-be" scheduled the muzzleloader season to open BEFORE archery season,..... and, it sure made the bow-hunters "howl"!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif :: ::

Kansas muzzleloader season was "alive and well", before the modern inlines ever showed-up!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

I'll agree with the "uppity" part 'bout Cabela's!!

I also never mentioned "finished" rifles,.... heck!!.. fer $262.00 were else can a feller have so much fun, as a GPR "kit" from MidSouth?? (which includes the slight "price increase" since SpotShooter bought his kit 2 months ago!) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I think most folks will agree thet the quality of a GPR "kit" done correctly, has greater "value" then a factory-finished rifle!!

When I git gradueighted from "yuppie-school", I'll go shop'n at Cabela's, and buy Robert a cup'a coffee!! :haha: :haha: /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[Ohio Joe]

I remember the fights we had in the National Muzzle loading Rifle Association, back in the late '70s, '80s, '90s, and today. The NMLRA was established for traditional muzzleloaders back in the 1930's... Allowing the inlines as they did, which are not traditional muzzleloaders by 1930's standards, the "Walter Cline" range now has breech loading competition held on it... There is something very wrong with this picture!!! Inlines have there place, it's just not in a primitive hunting season. They should be used during the modern hunting season as they are a modern firearm... Sorry if that steps on some folks toes, but that's just the way of it. Trying to fit these rifles in where they don't belong only leads to what has happened in, Friendship, Indiana.