inlines regulated to regular deer season

manure I thought I had the last word on this subject!! :curse:
Rollingb does bring up a real good point however.
I do forsee the time when Game Departments realize there ain't all that much difference in some in-lines as there is some high powder rifles. Already some in-lines have surpassed the venerable 30-30, .35 Remington and many other ctgs that are NOT allowed in many States.
Ohio is but one State that will not allow ctg. rifles to be used on deer anywhere.
Shotguns with slugs are o.k.
The reason for banning the use of ctg. rifles for deer is the fact that Ohio is very populated and the fear is that a stray round could travel into a populated area and take out some citizens. It's sound reasoning. A 30-06 bullet can carry five miles.
It wasn't long ago that Ohio considered disallowing handguns.
Handguns were allowed as generally the revolver bullet has a short range compared to a high powered rifle.
Then along come the single shot pistol, scoped, 14" barrel and what have you got? A sawed off rifle with greater range than a 6" barrel revolver.
Now just imagine someone with a 14" barreled single shot pistol shooting over a ridge, misses a deer, the bullet travels a mile into the 'burbs and knocks gran'ma off her rocker!
That could spell the end to ALL handgun hunting!
Technology can go too far with the modern in-line.

 

Maxi,.... You can have the "last word"!! :haha: :haha: :applause:

...... and, I hope we have helped convince some fellas thet "advanced technology" is a REAL threat to our beloved muzzleloader seasons which are based on "limitations"!!!!

I think Fairchase's and Daryl's posts are "prime" examples of what the future holds in store for modern inlines!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif ::

Heck!!.. I'm "blind", and even I can easily read,..... "the write'n on tha wall"!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

Maxiball said:
"I do forsee the time when Game Departments realize there ain't all that much difference in some in-lines as there is some high powder rifles. Already some in-lines have surpassed the venerable 30-30, .35 Remington and many other ctgs that are NOT allowed in many States."
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That is exactly why both of my huntin' buds now own the new smokeless Savage ML & I've refrained from buying one. It's just a matter of another year or two before Michigan outlaws it for the Muzzleloading Special Seasons here in December... at least in Lower Michigan's crowded Zone II.

 

Funny you shold mention that, Maxiball - Here, In Canada, I am now waiting for a # from Ottawa that means my new hand-made flint pistol is actually a firearm. In the meantime, I'm sitting at home with an unregistered firearm for which I could receive up to 5 years in prison for possessing. It may take many more months for Ottawa to enter my pistol into the "Book". At that time, they will issue a number for it verifying it as a firearm, at which time I may register it so I can use it.
: The problem with all of this, is that if I am caught with it at a range (or at nome) (I have all the nesessary permits for transportation of registered restricted firearms) I will be in possesion of a non-registered restricted firearm. The police only have to fire it over a chronograph to see it it will attain 500fps. That makes it a firearm and the fact that it's length & meant to be fired by one hand makes it a handgun.- 5yrs.to 10, actually.
: The same goes for any newly handmade handgun in Canada, that isn't "In the book" as a comercial handgun. Even my 1868 J.Weeks& Son R.I.C. revolver isn't in the book - but I have the necessary papers for that one- go figure.
Daryl
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[Plains99]

I have to agree with Rollingb on this one. In-lines are the products of poorly conceived and written early muzzleloader regulations. Even Tony Knight will say that his first in-lines were made for guys who wanted to hunt the special season but didn't want to use primitive rifles. I was perfectly content with my black powder shooting, side hammer, .54 round baller for deer hunting and only switched to in-lines to sell magazine articles. Now that the cat is out of the bag, I doubt there will ever be much movement back to truly traditional muzzleloaders.

 

I was perfectly content with my black powder shooting, side hammer, .54 round baller for deer hunting and only switched to in-lines to sell magazine articles. Now that the cat is out of the bag, I doubt there will ever be much movement back to truly traditional muzzleloaders.

I don't think the "cat" is all thet difficult to put back in the bag,.... all one has to do is visit all the "rooms" on this site to see the huge innerest in everthin from "handgonnes to percussion rifleguns".

Take a "look 'round" and you will see "LOTS" of pictures posted by fellas build'n all sorts of traditional muzzleloaders.

Lots of fellas hunt with "nuthin but" traditional muzzleloaders, and ther is a "huge" group of non-hunters thet are deep into the "history" of traditional muzzleloaders.

I think this site is a purty good "indicator" of the innerest in "traditional" muzzleloaders, as compared to "modern" inlines.

"Hunt'n" is only a small portion of what muzzleloaders are "all about",....

.......heck!!,.. look at all the re-enactment groups, ther's everthin from the "Landsknecht Mercenaries and Campfollowers" of the 1500's,.... clear up thru the Civil War re-enactors of the 19th. century!!

YEP!!.. you can "sleep easy" tonight, 'cause thet "cat" ain't worth worry'n 'bout, even fer'a minute!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

Hunting is what I am all about...and the only label I want is "hunter", because I am going to hunt all the seasons I can with as many weapons as possible. After all you only live once!
I have never put anybody down for their style of hunting or their choice of hunting tool, and I expect the same respect in return.

 

Fairchase,.... I also am a hunter, I've shot critters with roundball from "moose to bunnys"!!

However,... I enjoy muzzleloaders "SO MUCH" thet I travel to various muzzleloader events across the country throughout the year (mostly from early-May thru late-September), and a percentage of my yearly income is derived from such events.

Have'n said thet,... "hunt'n" is still a small part of my traditional muzzleloader "yearly" experience!!
I garruntee thet I shoot my traditional muzzleloders "EVERY" month of the year and until 3 years ago, I was cast'n and shoot'n 90-110 "POUNDS" of lead over the course of a year for nearly 30 years.
Due to "health reasons" I now only cast and shoot, 50-60 "POUNDS" of lead per-year,.... I would suspect thet inlines rarely git used thet "much"!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[Huntinfool]

Boy was I an Idiot or what thinkin' I could get the last word with some :bull: about coming together under one banner! LOL! ::

"Can't we all just get along." Infamous words of one Rodney King!


Keep Her Dry Fellers,
unless yer using a 209
shot shell primer.
"The Chuckster" ::

 

Huntinfool,..... :: "NAW".. you ain't no idiot!!.. I jest figgered some of the inliners might not realize thet traditional muzzleloaders ain't a "part-time hunt'n tool" for MANY of us traditionalists!!!! :: :haha: /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[Huntinfool]

Shucks, I'm with ya on that, RollinB. I'm going to hunt groundhogs this summer with mine! I hunt every thing with my flinters.

Plus I do re-enacting for several bunches of school kids at least 3 times every year! I use my flintlock during regular firearms season in place of the old .308. I love em!

It's way more than just a few days a season for us traditionalist. It's a way of life! Amen.

Keep Yer Powder Dry Fellers,
"The Chuckster" ::

 

[bob1961]

yeah but musketman you gotta love taking a deer on a mountain full of center fire guys in the rain with your flinter he he......................bob

 

[Huntinfool]

I agree with you Maxiball we all need to stick together or we shall surely fall. It's the goal of the antis to divide and conquer.

That being said I remember back in the early 70's when the deer weren't quite as over populated here in WV as they are now.

I was going through my bowhunting only phase. I belonged to the WV Bowhunters Association they were then as they are now the largest most powerful lobbyist.

The WVBA fought tooth and nail to keep this state from having a ML season. They thought that if others got a special seasons it would cut some of their 3 month season down. They also fought to keep it illegal to possess (much less hunt) with a cross bow for the same reason. It's my opinion that one should be able to use a crossbow in place of a firearm. And in special cases in place of a regular bow also (due to ability or lack of ability).

This mentality is still prevalent among a lot of people. It's pure hog wash as we have way too many deer as it is. There are too many being hit by vehicles. Our seasons keep getting more and more liberal for that reason.

I'd like to see an early flintlock season here as KY and PA our neighboring states have. Our ML season was implemented by our state legislation. The law states as long as there is a deer hunting season open in WV there has to be a ML season, period. But the WVBA made sure it was after all other seasons in late winter.

Well, that stuck in the crawl of the WVBA and to this day Muzzle Loaders and Bow Hunters don't get along very well! In the now infamous words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along" LOL!

As much as I dislike inline MLs I will fight for the right of my fellow sportsmen to own and hunt with them. Some of my best friends hunt with inlines and we hunt together. Of course I try my best to out do them.

Chuck Goodall
"The Original Huntin' Fool"
&
Kanawha Ranger Scribe

 

Aaaaaaaahhhhhh man I hate being new and being late for things like this.
Here in Idaho the black powder season states that for deer you must be 45 or better and elk 50 or better.
The lock must be exposed as well as the cap " no rubber covering here."
No sabots and no jacketed bullets.

 

[doverdog]

Just an update for Huntinfool. Penna no longer has an early (October) flintlock only season. In the continuing effort to extirpate the whitetail deer in PA, Deer biologist Gary Alt has got the season changed to any ML longgun of .45 caliber or more using any sight, including scopes, and any bullet. The last 3 days of the season are also open to senior and junior hunters using centerfire guns. This is an antlerless only season and hunters must have antlerless tags for the Wildlife Management Unit they are hunting. The traditional post-Christmas flintlock season remains the same. A move to require ALL big game hunters, including archery hunters sitting in tree stands and flintlock hunters hunting the late flintlock season, to wear blaze orange at all times, was defeated last year. :boohoo:

 

[Huntinfool]

Thanks for the update Superflint I guess KY still has theirs. At least they did last fall!

They're changin' these dang laws faster than a feller can keep up with them. If they want more deer killed they ought to just up the limit and/or ad more days to the season.

Thanks,
Chuck