Jukar Spain

[mooman76]

Yeah, they win matches Alden, Especially if there are TC's in the shooting line.

Chief, keep the ramrod and just buy a range rod I like the fiberglass kind Track of the Wolf has.

That's what I do. Most of my MLs I bought used. I kkeep the cheap wood rod to keep it real but don't use it. I buy a better rod. I have something like 6 different types from hickory to synthetic to fiberglass. They all work well. I'm not crazy about the synthetic that is very limp but it does its job.

 

[Alden]

Me too. You're gonna break the wooden rod eventually so use synthetic to actually shoot and keep the wood to hang or pass the gun on to posterity...

As for the Jukar...

...one of our Aussie brothers just indirectly reminded me there have ALWAYS been a class of cheap guns available to the masses. And I note Spain ain't India!

 

[Loyalist Dave]

But that olde Jukar 45cal barrel is a tack driver!

Yes it is. Mine I still have, it's a CVA, and it was $68.00 from the now defunct Best & Company (not to be confused with Best Buy). My son will be shooting it soon. I also scrounged a CVA flintlock lock, and a barrel for the same rifle, so it converts back-n-forth from cap to flinter.

LD

 

[Rick Son]

Well heck if it was a little longer i could use for a club :blah:

 

[Rick Son]

I have a CVA and we used to get them stupid AOL free dvd things at 7-11,they didn't want to deal with them and i would get handfulls of them,still have a bunch,i could shoot through the center hole. :grin:

Ok we would blast them anyway,but heck to clean up

 

[Alden]

I just want to be sure we've all made the equivalency-leap that a Jukar is the same as a CVA and CVA's are Jukars. OK? Everybody on board with that!?

It was subtle but there nevertheless...

Lessons learned in this thread so far:

• Jukar guns are beautiful
• Jukar guns are secretly super-accurate tack-drivers
• CVA = Jukar
• Durs Egg's middle name was "Jukar"

 

[Rusty_Nail]

I just want to be sure we've all made the equivalency-leap that a Jukar is the same as a CVA and CVA's are Jukars. OK? Everybody on board with that!?

It was subtle but there nevertheless...

Lessons learned in this thread so far:

• Jukar guns are beautiful
• Jukar guns are secretly super-accurate tack-drivers
• CVA = Jukar
• Durs Egg's middle name was "Jukar"

But not all CVAs are Jukars! :rotf:

 

[necchi]

If your at the point where you are buying and using custom guns, we're all very happy for you.
But there is no need to belittle others that are at a different level.
It easy to understand you don't care for the lowly Jukar, it's also evident you have little personal experience with one and have most likely gained your opinion of these rifles from others, and/or have little to no ability to make one of these work as well as they can.
Nobody has said an off the shelf Jukar is a top gun, they do require work.
But the raw components of these rifles are capable of a level of accuracy unfound in many other off the shelf rifles..

Your points been made, now your just repeating yourself.

 

[mooman76]

I just want to be sure we've all made the equivalency-leap that a Jukar is the same as a CVA and CVA's are Jukars. OK? Everybody on board with that!?

It was subtle but there nevertheless...

Lessons learned in this thread so far:

• Jukar guns are beautiful
• Jukar guns are secretly super-accurate tack-drivers
• CVA = Jukar
• Durs Egg's middle name was "Jukar"

But not all CVAs are Jukars! :rotf:

And not all Jukars are CVAs.

 

[stude 283]

I am very sure more deer have been killed with the cva,jukar, kentucky rifle than any other ML.We couldn't all be wrong.We may progress,but we can never go back to all the fun we had with these.Your loss if you missed out.

 

[nwtradegun]

don't pay any heed to those old preachers of doom .in the old days of turkey shoots a guy would show up and take how turkeys, hams and sides of bacon. it will shoot as long as the barrel is good and taken care of.

 

[gard72977]

I had a Jukar years ago. I was young and broke. Picked it up at a gun show cheap. It shot ok. I look back at everything I did not know. Its a wonder it shot at all. I remember accuracy was ok with pyrodex and goex. I have to say that I really enjoyed the gun.

With the help of fourms like this I would think that It would be a good shooter.

 

[coloradoclyde]

Yep those ramrods were junk!
make a new wooden one.
can't recomend a synthetic one kinda like a problem to a non-solution, I dont like a ramrod that flexes.

 

[coloradoclyde]

If your at the point where you are buying and using custom guns, we're all very happy for you.
But there is no need to belittle others that are at a different level.
It easy to understand you don't care for the lowly Jukar, it's also evident you have little personal experience with one and have most likely gained your opinion of these rifles from others, and/or have little to no ability to make one of these work as well as they can.
Nobody has said an off the shelf Jukar is a top gun, they do require work.
But the raw components of these rifles are capable of a level of accuracy unfound in many other off the shelf rifles..

Now thats what i'm sayin!

 

[coloradoclyde]

I have more smokepoles than there are days in the month, but my jukar 45 kentucky has a special place in my heart. I still love to shoot it.

 

[Leatherbark]

I just want to be sure we've all made the equivalency-leap that a Jukar is the same as a CVA and CVA's are Jukars. OK? Everybody on board with that!?

It was subtle but there nevertheless...

Lessons learned in this thread so far:

• Jukar guns are beautiful
• Jukar guns are secretly super-accurate tack-drivers
• CVA = Jukar
• Durs Egg's middle name was "Jukar"

But not all CVAs are Jukars! :rotf:

And not all Jukars are CVAs.

But the "J" in Spanish is silent. So if you have a "JUKAR" you have hooker rifle.

Bob

 

If your at the point where you are buying and using custom guns, we're all very happy for you.
But there is no need to belittle others that are at a different level.
It easy to understand you don't care for the lowly Jukar, it's also evident you have little personal experience with one and have most likely gained your opinion of these rifles from others, and/or have little to no ability to make one of these work as well as they can.
Nobody has said an off the shelf Jukar is a top gun, they do require work.
But the raw components of these rifles are capable of a level of accuracy unfound in many other off the shelf rifles..

Your points been made, now your just repeating yourself.

Agree 1000%.
The rifle I shoot most of the time is a fine hand-built piece that is featured on the maker’s Contemporary Longrifles bio page. (Ken Moors, NC in case you are interested.)
But I sure didn’t get into the game at that level.
My first rifle featured a two piece stock and, while not a Jukar/CVA/Traditions product, was a step or two below the Navy or Replica Arms offerings at that time. As a teenager I shot local matches against older men who shot everything from H&A underhammers and Tingles to rifles they had built themselves or, in at least one case, an original percussion. I seldom placed, but that was almost certainly my fault and not the gun’s. And never, not once, was I told that my gun was a piece of junk. Had I been treated with the sarcasm of Alden’s post I doubt if I would have attended any more matches. I might have lost interest in the game completely.
There may be Jukar (or CVA, or Traditions) rifles that can’t shoot a five inch group at 25 yards off a sandbag. But unless there are a bunch of liars here - and I don’t believe that’s the case - there are definitely Jukar rifles that shoot with the best of them. Are they a little short on style? Yeah, they are. But style doesn’t win matches or make meat.

 

[Alden]

Now friends, let's be honest with each other.

First, I defy anyone to show me where I used the word "junk" in the context of writing about a Jukar. Mostly its owners here have I believe... Calling Dr. Freud!

Second, let's not have anyone, and no-one accept, putting the Jukar on a pedestal. It is a diservice to the readers of these forums. OK, I was being a little sarcastic. Because I thought it was a kindness. But you guys started with elevating the "Jukar - Spain" to something it never was nor will be. A quality gun. Sorry. Of course it has its valid and necessary place nevertheless. Like India-made guns...

Under its own name the Jukars' niche was cheap, inexpensive, no frills, corners cut, inferior, mass-marketed entry-level blackpowder guns. Like the one here hanging in the antique shop for YEARS -- OMG, how many guns can YOU think of where that could possibly happen and is the norm!? Its the same at gun shows -- they collect dust almost regardless of price and it's not because they are a well kept secret or "the rest of us" are stupid. Even here its new owner only took it for FREE!

In many regards, and often, Jukar - Spain "named" guns are not much better than some no-name wall hangers. When they were good guns maybe they are my CVA Mountain rifle. When they were what most of us typically have experience with they were the kind of product that ended Spanish blackpowder manufacturing if not ultimately undermining their entire arms industry. Gone!

 

[Terry Fairchild]

So, who makes today's Traditions .45 Kentucky?

 

[Rusty_Nail]

I thought it was Ardesa, but it does not show on the Traditions website.

It is however on the Ardesa site.
http://www.ardesa.com/en/productos.php?wgo=104