mtman2k
32 Cal
Here is the update from Kibler hisself
Here is the update from Kibler hisself
Here is the update from Kibler hisself
You are correct about the weight.The problem is that the Colonial and Woodsrunner each use the same barrel diameter for all calibers. The .32 would weigh a ton, or require a new barrel /stock production line. Unlikely to happen.
Me personally no. I am going to sell off my production Hawken GPRs of which one is a flintlock to fund the Kibler. I like that he is trying to make it a bit lighter. Mine all weigh well over 9 lbs and at 74 years old, they are starting to get a bit heavy while walk hunting. I feel that if a person doesn't like Kibler's Hawken, they don't have to buy one. I don't like his Colonial therefore I will not buy one. I do like the SMR, therefore I bought a kit from him. It is all about choice and market. He wouldn't have put this much effort into a project that will not make him money.I’ve always been a huge fan of Kibler and have the utmost respect for their craftsmanship and innovation. That said, I’m finding it difficult to get excited about this latest release. The market already seems flooded with percussion half-stock rifles and kits, making it feel less distinctive compared to Kibler’s other offerings. While I’m sure the quality is top-notch as always, it’s hard to ignore how many similar options are already out there. I was hoping for something a bit more unique or groundbreaking to set this one apart. Is anyone else here feeling the same way I am?
Us a coyote 5.0 with machined valve covers to appear as an old school Hemi ."why would anybody want to disacrate a ford with a chev engine to be pc/hc shouldn't it use a ford motor?" just giving a ration LOL
Me personally no. I am going to sell off my production Hawken GPRs of which one is a flintlock to fund the Kibler. I like that he is trying to make it a bit lighter. Mine all weigh well over 9 lbs and at 74 years old, they are starting to get a bit heavy while walk hunting.
and anything on the market now in production or kit form sux! as far as why he's doing a Hawken, folks in the hobby have been bothering him for it!Me personally no. I am going to sell off my production Hawken GPRs of which one is a flintlock to fund the Kibler. I like that he is trying to make it a bit lighter. Mine all weigh well over 9 lbs and at 74 years old, they are starting to get a bit heavy while walk hunting. I feel that if a person doesn't like Kibler's Hawken, they don't have to buy one. I don't like his Colonial therefore I will not buy one. I do like the SMR, therefore I bought a kit from him. It is all about choice and market. He wouldn't have put this much effort into a project that will not make him money.
I would like for Jim to produce a pistol. I noticed one on his desk while watching the video. He may be researching something like that. Hope he does because I don't care for the Lyman or any other that is out there.
There’s probably some truth to that (though I’ve generally heard very good things about The Hawken Shop kits, but I digress). But at the same time, I’d be willing to bet good money that no one saw the “percussion” twist coming. Let’s be real—most were crossing their fingers and hoping it would follow a flintlock design. That’s where the real excitement is for many in the community. For a great deal of folks, flintlocks carry that classic, old-world charm and a sense of tradition that percussion just doesn’t quite capture. So, while this direction might make sense to some, it’s safe to say it’s left a few people scratching their heads, wishing for something that felt a little closer to the roots of the hobby.and anything on the market now in production or kit form sux! as far as why he's going a Hawken, folks in the hobby have been bothering him for it!
I guess if Jim's goal is to just offer a generic somewhat historically correct caplock rifle, that won't be a problem for him, he's already halfway there.Being this forum is full of members who LOVE the rock lock long rifles I can see why Kibler offering a Percussion gun is making some scratch their heads. But IMO Jim and crew are spot on for offering something that busts a cap. He even said it himself in the new video, Not EVERYONE wants a flintlock, like it or not. This is the right move for a traditional muzzle loader manufacturer. If it wasn't the big names that sold BOAT LOADS of them in the past would have only offered a Flint lock. Who knows he may offer the Hawken in a Flint at some point too. I myself am going to buy one. Having his rifle is more important to me than having an Import. Just my .02 may be worth less, who knows.
The cap problem has been going on for 3 years now, how many original Hawkens are rock locks? 2? want the roots of the hobby, there are plenty of rock lock rifle guns and halfstocks to emulateThere’s probably some truth to that (though I’ve generally heard very good things about The Hawken Shop kits, but I digress). But at the same time, I’d be willing to bet good money that no one saw the “percussion” twist coming. Let’s be real—most were crossing their fingers and hoping it would follow a flintlock design. That’s where the real excitement is for many in the community. For a great deal of folks, flintlocks carry that classic, old-world charm and a sense of tradition that percussion just doesn’t quite capture. So, while this direction might make sense to some, it’s safe to say it’s left a few people scratching their heads, wishing for something that felt a little closer to the roots of the hobby.