Kibler's next gun?

[looney]

We're working on a fowler right now. This has been an ongoing project, but is really accelerating. It will be based on original English work from the 1760's or 1770's. It will be a gun intended for export, so from this standpoint it could be called a trade gun, but it won't represent the really low end trade guns we often think of. There was a whole class of English guns built for export that fit this profile. To most, they would look very much like what we think of as an "English Fowler", but there are differences between a high end English gun and these guns made for export.

Barrel breech is usually quite a bit smaller. Ours will be 1.125"
Barrels are often of an earlier 3-stage form. Two round sections and one octagon section.
There typically isn't a tip out or standing breech.
The barrels are typically pinned to the stock rather than using keys
Overall stocking is similar to a higher end English gun, but sometimes a little less refined
Sometimes earlier design forms are used (bulbous formed pipes, sheet metal serpentine sideplates etc.)
Overall level of sophistication and decoration is somewhat lower.

I expect this to be ready in 4-5 months as we are making some pretty rapid progress.

Thanks for all the interest! Any questions, just ask!

Jim

Left hand, too?

 

[nchawkeye]

Thanks Jim, sounds good, I currently have 3 rifles and no fowlers, so that would be a good option for me!!

 

[Mtgelaude]

Someone made the comment that we "must be struggling as a business". It's exactly the opposite. Things have never been better. We're shipping more each week than I would have ever imagined. We've gotten enough help to maintain a high production level and also work on future projects at a faster pace. So things are very good. I just counted yesterday and I think we are at about 21 employees counting Katherine and myself.

As to pricing of fowler kits, they will be in line with our current offerings.

Some future kits will likely be a pistol of some sort, a dreaded Hawken styled rifle and maybe something like a lehigh

If the “dreaded” Hawken is close to the actual Hawken designs, then I would definitely be in. All the other ideas sound good to me too, pistols, Lehigh, sounds good to me.

 

[Fisherking]

I can’t think of another manufacturer of anything that would post on a forum and answer questions, at all, let alone consistently as has been the case with Mr Kibler.

There is a reason they are so highly regarded.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

We'll be offering this in 16 and 20 bore. The 16 bore will be nicer in that the barrel wall thickness will be a minimum (probably around 1/16" at the thinnest point). The 20 bore will be thicker since the O.D. will remain the same.

I'll take a 16 please.

 

[Kmcmichael]

We're working on a fowler right now. This has been an ongoing project, but is really accelerating. It will be based on original English work from the 1760's or 1770's. It will be a gun intended for export, so from this standpoint it could be called a trade gun, but it won't represent the really low end trade guns we often think of. There was a whole class of English guns built for export that fit this profile. To most, they would look very much like what we think of as an "English Fowler", but there are differences between a high end English gun and these guns made for export.

Barrel breech is usually quite a bit smaller. Ours will be 1.125"
Barrels are often of an earlier 3-stage form. Two round sections and one octagon section.
There typically isn't a tip out or standing breech.
The barrels are typically pinned to the stock rather than using keys
Overall stocking is similar to a higher end English gun, but sometimes a little less refined
Sometimes earlier design forms are used (bulbous formed pipes, sheet metal serpentine sideplates etc.)
Overall level of sophistication and decoration is somewhat lower.

I expect this to be ready in 4-5 months as we are making some pretty rapid progress.

Thanks for all the interest! Any questions, just ask!

Jim

So all of you rabble owe me a scotch.
‘BTW any ideas yet on caliber or gauge.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

So all of you rabble owe me a scotch.
‘BTW any ideas yet on caliber or gauge.

He wrote "16 and 20 gauge".

 

[springfield art]

When will he ever get around to making an Enfield rifle musket kit?

No. He's not in the military replica field, which is full of options. His genius is in engineering CNC technical equipment in service of historically correct, easy to work, precisely fitted muzzleloaders.

 

[mikesto44]

Oh fine...Jim you had to do it...16 gauge fowler and if it's good enough for Brooks...I want one also... SO your first two are now spoken for.....!!!!! So get to it....lol

 

[TDM]

To the best of my knowledge the next kit will be an English Fowler. I'm pretty sure Jim said that in one of his recent videos. But I don't have the exact source.

Told you.

 

[BadDaditood]

I feel vindicated- thanks Jim
As for design and tweaking a new lock, my first Kiblers each had Chambers locks.
My second and third kits had Kibler locks- the SMR a Late Ketland while the Colonial has a larger older style round face.
The Colonial lock came shortly after the Colonial’s rollout- when they were hip-deep in new orders.
Not sure when the Late Ketland came out, but I would imagine before the Colonial launch.
A Smoothbore/ Fowler is next, which is what I heard before the Woodsrunner launch.
Someday a pistol of some sort-
Now I have to get a job to support my habit- thanks Jim!!!

 

[TDM]

Now I have to get a job to support my habit-

Was thinking the same thing.

 

[Sam squanch]

NO!!!! Resist the urge to …. WORK! If you have to, do as little as possible…..

Was thinking the same thing.

 

[TDM]

NO!!!! Resist the urge to …. WORK! If you have to, do as little as possible…..

That will pose little problem for me now!

 

[rmefbowhunter]

That will pose little problem for me now!

As Oscar Wilde so wisely said, “Work is the refuge of those who can think of nothing better to do!”

 

[TDM]

As Oscar Wilde so wisely said, “Work is the refuge of those who can think of nothing better to do!”

Words to live by.

 

[Terrier]

To the best of my knowledge the next kit will be an English Fowler. I'm pretty sure Jim said that in one of his recent videos. But I don't have the exact source.

I remember him saying that in a video, too….

You’re by all means now allowed to say, “Neener, Neener!”

 

[ryanwelder1269]

Manufacturing concerns and the whims of an artist are to complex for even the aforementioned artist to predict. Jim Kibler might not even be sure of the answer to this question or, it could change before his current plan comes to fruition.
But, I would bet a dram of scotch that the next one will be an English Fowler For the following reasons:
*He has refurbished an original in the past.
*He is fond of the design.
*It would be an easy stretch from the Colonial and Ridge Runner.
Caveat, it will be cheap scotch only available on location in the DFW area, and you will be forced to witness my inevitable pontification on wherever expertise lies on that particular day, as scotch seems to bring this out.

I think what ever he decides to make will make a nice build

 

[Kmcmichael]

He wrote "16 and 20 gauge".

Thanks, I did not see the following post

 

[Kmcmichael]

He wrote "16 and 20 gauge".

Thanks, I did not see the following post