Model 1819 Hall Flintlock

[Va.Manuf.06]

Good post and thanks for posting the detailed information, I was too lazy to do it. :wink: As I said, an improvement of the French bullet, not an American invention. As you are well aware, what we call the Burton bullet was very similar in style to the French bullet and with as many variations of our Burton as there are, the French bullet blends into a display of Minié balls to the point of being "just another Minié". Only close, informed observation tells the difference. My apologies for drifting off as well. :redface: But it is fun isn't it?

 

[Tumblernotch]

Yes it is! But since I can't remember things real well I have to dig around in my old books to refresh my memory. And I do tend to get a little long winded. :yakyak: :wink: :grin:

And you are right. The different styles of this bullet do seem to overlap and it makes it hard to tell who invented what. :hmm:

 

[Jay04WRX]

I did post another thread without seeing this thread. One of these rifles were passed down to me from my grandfather. I do not know how he got it but I know he was in WWII. I will post pics please let me know what you guys think. The first gun is in bad shape its an old muzzle loading shotgun with NO markings. The second is the Hall.

 

[Va.Manuf.06]

WHOA! :shocked2: M1819 Hall rifle in original flint! Now there's a PRIZE!

 

[Va.Manuf.06]

Yes it is! But since I can't remember things real well I have to dig around in my old books to refresh my memory. And I do tend to get a little long winded. :yakyak: :wink: :grin:

And you are right. The different styles of this bullet do seem to overlap and it makes it hard to tell who invented what. :hmm:

Believe me I feel the same. More and more I find myself having to refer back to the books since my memory is getting shorter and shorter. Oh, well.... I do remember that at one point the French went to a triangular base in their Minié and did away with the cup. When the base cavity is ignored it looks exactly like the US .69 Minié.

 

[Tumblernotch]

"""Oh, well.... I do remember that at one point the French went to a triangular base in their Minié and did away with the cup. When the base cavity is ignored it looks exactly like the US .69 Minié."""

You're right. I dug two Austrian .71 cal. Minies at a battlefield near here that are almost identical to the .69 US Minie. I can only say that the different War Departments kept a close eye on developments elsewhere and copied much of what they saw, and where necessary paid royalties or bought outright the use of different inventions and improvements. (And sometimes didn't even bother to do that).

Hall had a terrible time with the process of obtaining his patents and protecting them. First of all, the Commissioner of Patents, William Thornton, refused to issue a patent to Hall for his rifle unless he was connected to it as a "partner" or co-inventor. Not a little conflict of interest there, is there? And the government wanted Simeon North to be given license to produce the Hall Rifle and old Hall was against it on the grounds that North couldn't make the gun on the interchangeable plan. North proved him wrong and probably made a better product than Hall could at Harpers Ferry.

 

[Jay04WRX]

I am wondering where in CT I can bring it to be looked at and appraised. I need to start seaching.


Jay