I belive that the promotion of the black powder sport is worth the money in-line or traditional.Read their mission statement. :m2c:
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"The NMLRA is the association for muzzleloading shooters and hunters: Men, women, and young people interested in preserving our American heritage through living history reenactments, a variety of competitive shooting opportunities at levels ranging from local matches to international competition, the added challenge of hunting with a muzzleloader, and the power of an association defending their rights to hunt with, shoot, and own muzzleloading firearms."
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The part about "perserving our American heritage" is my stickler point........American Heritage should not include Modern in-line rifles that don't shoot loose powder and fire jacketed bullets!....that's not "heritage", that's a commercial money making abomination that's totally 20th century! They started great(1933) but lost their own mission somewhere along the way.
Don't get me wrong,I'm not trying to discourge others from being or becoming a member of this organization. It's just FOR ME, The NMLRA seems to be leaveing the tradionalist ideals behind in favor of the "new" muzzleloaders and their supporters. But, all-in-all, it boils down to : each his own. If the NMLRA is for you and others, that's great--enjoy. I'll just hold my breath until a Traditional organization rolls around and give them my full support.
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"The NMLRA is the association for muzzleloading shooters and hunters: Men, women, and young people interested in preserving our American heritage through living history reenactments, a variety of competitive shooting opportunities at levels ranging from local matches to international competition, the added challenge of hunting with a muzzleloader, and the power of an association defending their rights to hunt with, shoot, and own muzzleloading firearms."
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The part about "perserving our American heritage" is my stickler point........American Heritage should not include Modern in-line rifles that don't shoot loose powder and fire jacketed bullets!....that's not "heritage", that's a commercial money making abomination that's totally 20th century! They started great(1933) but lost their own mission somewhere along the way.
Don't get me wrong,I'm not trying to discourge others from being or becoming a member of this organization. It's just FOR ME, The NMLRA seems to be leaveing the tradionalist ideals behind in favor of the "new" muzzleloaders and their supporters. But, all-in-all, it boils down to : each his own. If the NMLRA is for you and others, that's great--enjoy. I'll just hold my breath until a Traditional organization rolls around and give them my full support.
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yep thats what im a thinking to longknife.
maybe when the NMLRA loses enough people they will wake up and realize that they missed the turn somewhere .
maybe when the NMLRA loses enough people they will wake up and realize that they missed the turn somewhere .
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I believe Zonie has it right. I also thing that the Inline group (knight, White, etc) got their lawyers together and informed the NMLRA that their Mission Statements says they support Muzzleloaders and if they didn't support the Inlines
they'ed seem em in court. and teir would not be and NMLRA..
I think the NMLRA was between a rock and a hard spot!
they'ed seem em in court. and teir would not be and NMLRA..
I think the NMLRA was between a rock and a hard spot!
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I don't see where the NRA would have any thing at all to do with it...why would they even be involved?
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for the same reason that the in-line crowd would have lawyers to for their way into an orginization where they neather fit or would be wanted and that one word "money"
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I'll have to think about that?? :hmm: :hmm: :huh:
The NRA supports all firearms. From the earliest traditional muzzleloaders to the most modern firearms. If it throws lead, the NRA will support it. That's what they do.
If manufacture's sought support from the NMLRA with their new inline muzzleloading products, and the NMLRA said no, we'll not support this new non traditional muzzleloading inline rifle, it's a pretty good bet those manufacture's went running to the NRA. I can see where NRA could and would bring preasure to bare on the NMLRA to accept and support inlines to give credence to them.
The NRA speaks for millions... The NMLRA speaks for only thousands...
Whether this happened or not, I don't know? It wouldn't surpirse me if it did.
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yep joe and the manufactures need the support of both and a few others . Remember the inline is now the money making lines for many companies , if those companies cant get them legal in muzzle loading seasons they lose money as many of the people buying them wouldnt hunt in general season with it when given a choice in between that inline and a center fire.
once they get the backing of the NRA then others will fall in line and in the end the inline community can then say "look we are excepted by even the traditional organizations and thus ending with the state game commissions who allow them into the muzzle loading seasons and there is your money trail.
never mind the rope that may have been put around the nicks of organizations to allow them in .
i hope "even though i dont really expect it " to see the inline pushed to general seasons where IMO it fits and belongs , if not i truly believe the acceptance of them in traditional organizations will be the end of our special seasons .
once they get the backing of the NRA then others will fall in line and in the end the inline community can then say "look we are excepted by even the traditional organizations and thus ending with the state game commissions who allow them into the muzzle loading seasons and there is your money trail.
never mind the rope that may have been put around the nicks of organizations to allow them in .
i hope "even though i dont really expect it " to see the inline pushed to general seasons where IMO it fits and belongs , if not i truly believe the acceptance of them in traditional organizations will be the end of our special seasons .
Agreed Captchee.
One only needs to look at who is manufacturing these inlines today to see where the manufacturing support bucks are going and coming from. Savage, Winchester, Ruger, Remington...
I could see where this could lead to the end of our "traditional muzzleloading" hunting seasons... I have no doubt that if and when this happens, a new second season will come about for those stinking scoped inlines. The traditional muzzleloaders will be left out in the cold having to once again compete against modern centerfire/inline muzzleloading centerfires...
The whole thing stinks of big business. The little guy can't beat big business until he becomes the big guy on the block... Is there only a handful of us who realize that inlines are modern firearms??? :shake:
One only needs to look at who is manufacturing these inlines today to see where the manufacturing support bucks are going and coming from. Savage, Winchester, Ruger, Remington...
I could see where this could lead to the end of our "traditional muzzleloading" hunting seasons... I have no doubt that if and when this happens, a new second season will come about for those stinking scoped inlines. The traditional muzzleloaders will be left out in the cold having to once again compete against modern centerfire/inline muzzleloading centerfires...
The whole thing stinks of big business. The little guy can't beat big business until he becomes the big guy on the block... Is there only a handful of us who realize that inlines are modern firearms??? :shake:
Colorado has its own muzzloading association which I will join soon as my club is a Charter. The nmlra seems more like an Indiana State association than "national" to me. If I lived near there I might join for the range.
I dont personaly like inlines, but if used with real black they dont bother me too much. I hate the idea of using nitro powder in them, cause as others said, it could bring more regulation to all of us.
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I dont personaly like inlines, but if used with real black they dont bother me too much. I hate the idea of using nitro powder in them, cause as others said, it could bring more regulation to all of us.
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I dont know that they use nitro powder and if they did then thats worse . however the problem is the ballistics they get by using BP or plastic commercial brothers , modern rifle ammunition and sabots. Not to mention the complete design that IMO is based on a common bolt action center fire.
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One thing you've failed to mention, are you a member of the MNLRA? If you are, I haven't seen you at Friendship at the membership meetings expressing your displeasure with the way the organization is going.
If you aren't, did you leave for that reason? We could use people like you to keep up the fight and to band with the ones who are opposed to the things going on. Now I'm talking on the primitive side, not the main line.
I just received December's magazine and the dork EVP they have representing the organization said in his message about the membership declining. They're offering all kinds of incentives to bring in new members. It doesen't seem to be working.
It's like anything else, the powers that be will run it into the ground until there's no hope of reviving it and then they'll blame it on the members. "It's your club, what did you do to help out."
I believe the only thing to do is to keep up the fight and run the clowns off that are ruining things. I, for one, am not ready to quit.
Some day someone will see my name listed in the "Last Relay" in the magazine and maybe they'll say........."he put up one hellava fight."eace:
One thing you've failed to mention, are you a member of the MNLRA? If you are, I haven't seen you at Friendship at the membership meetings expressing your displeasure with the way the organization is going.
If you aren't, did you leave for that reason? We could use people like you to keep up the fight and to band with the ones who are opposed to the things going on. Now I'm talking on the primitive side, not the main line.
I just received December's magazine and the dork EVP they have representing the organization said in his message about the membership declining. They're offering all kinds of incentives to bring in new members. It doesen't seem to be working.
It's like anything else, the powers that be will run it into the ground until there's no hope of reviving it and then they'll blame it on the members. "It's your club, what did you do to help out."
I believe the only thing to do is to keep up the fight and run the clowns off that are ruining things. I, for one, am not ready to quit.
Some day someone will see my name listed in the "Last Relay" in the magazine and maybe they'll say........."he put up one hellava fight."
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ya flint shooter i was a member and if you read back you will find that i said so and was one in good standing until just recently .
In fact here in idaho we have the IMLRA which was started based on the NMLRA and I was a member of it as well
# 4701 for the IMLRA "lol found an old card lol"
my card # for the NMLRA was 14 thousand something if i racall right , to be honest i never really payed that much attention to the number as i lived far enough away i dint find to many benifits other then saying im a memeber that one of the reasons i joined the IMLRA
Last fall the IDFG was asking for input from hunters about up coming seasons and the rep for my area said almost the same thing that " flints ?" said in the TMA forum concerning in lines by the NMLRA.
So I stood up and gave my opinion as a long standing member of both organizations and to show that these folks didn
In fact here in idaho we have the IMLRA which was started based on the NMLRA and I was a member of it as well
# 4701 for the IMLRA "lol found an old card lol"
my card # for the NMLRA was 14 thousand something if i racall right , to be honest i never really payed that much attention to the number as i lived far enough away i dint find to many benifits other then saying im a memeber that one of the reasons i joined the IMLRA
Last fall the IDFG was asking for input from hunters about up coming seasons and the rep for my area said almost the same thing that " flints ?" said in the TMA forum concerning in lines by the NMLRA.
So I stood up and gave my opinion as a long standing member of both organizations and to show that these folks didn
There is no doubt that inlines and the nmlra's support of them is all about money.Why am I not surprised.The memership in the nmlra has been going down for years,recognition of the inlines was a poor attempt to stem the bleeding. I am a member and will continue,changing something is a better bet from inside than from outside.Once a year our club invites all muzzleloaders to an open shoot,at the end of the shoot,its interesting how many inline owners want to know what kind of a traditional gun to buy and where to get it.I think most hunters buy inlines to extend their season because they are low cost and pushed by the gun shops and are not aware of flinters side or underhammers.Maybe us diehards don't get the word out as well as we might,By the way Friendship is a great facility,I wish I was closer.When the TMLRA starts count me in.
