NMLRA Membership

I've been a member of this website for a couple of years now. I've heard more squabbeling over membership in the NRA/NMLRA. I'm currently trying to get the 2009 NEPR set up and I'm listening to all the rhetoric BS between the NRLHF & the NMLRA. Maybe just maybe we should all try and work together. Benjamin Franklin couldn't have stated it more correctly when he said "We must all hang together, or assuradly we shall all hang separately".

 

Hello wall . Whats that you say oh yeh I heard that. No they don't answer me either. :snore:

 

[akapennypincher]

The NMLRA sent representatives to the UN to testify against the UN international gun ban that the UN would like to stick down our throats. Sounds like lobbying to me.

Many Klatch

Yes it does sound like lobbying, and is against the rules of a the type of NON Profit Group the NMLRA is. If the IRS find out there goes there Non Profit Status.

 

[Little Wattsy]

I've been a member of this website for a couple of years now. I've heard more squabbeling over membership in the NRA/NMLRA. I'm currently trying to get the 2009 NEPR set up and I'm listening to all the rhetoric BS between the NRLHF & the NMLRA. Maybe just maybe we should all try and work together. Benjamin Franklin couldn't have stated it more correctly when he said "We must all hang together, or assuradly we shall all hang separately".[/quote]


YEP!

 

[crockett]

Well I guess I might as well get in on this.

I think what we have here is a failure to communicate.

On this forum we are all about traditional muzzleloading and that's great. The NMLRA on the other hand has a wider scope, primarily competitive shooting. If you are not a competitive shooter, all the articles on who won what are a big waste of time. A lot of the bevel brothers stuff really centers on accuracy, hence competitive shooting.

So, I am a big supporter of the NMLRA, that said, I have harbored some thoughts.

1. Right now the NMLRA thinks youth programs are the future of the organization. I disagree with this. I think it would be far better to get folks who are already black powder shooters and get them involved in competitive shooting.

Question: Have any of you ever been invited to a competitive shoot? Do you have any idea where such shoots are held in your area? Are you aware of the various categories, such as squirrel, chuck gun, etc? If you started shooting once a month at such an event do you think you might enjoy it?

2. $40.00 a year dues. The "other" magazine is $22.00 a year and focused on only pre-1840 shooting. A lot of folks think for $40.00 "all you get" is a magazine with a lot of articles on shooting events, etc.
Would you join the NMLRA if the dues were $35.00/year?
$30.00/year?
$25.00/year?

What about if the magazine posted the shooting results on line and had more articles in the magazine itself on pre-1840 subject matters or on antique firearms, etc?

What if the NMLRA held more shooting events in your area?

Just interested, hope some of the folks at NMLRA read this- could help.

 

[akapennypincher]

A FEW FACTS:

The NMLRA tried to sell it self as a “NATIONAL Organization”, sadly most of it focus is on the activities that happen on its Friendship Indiana Facility.

The BENEFITS of Membership most NMLRA Members get for 40 BUCKS a Year is a very repetitive, non new stand quality magazine.

NMLRA Membership, Charter Club Affiliation is been on the decline the last 10 years.

The NMLRA does hold a WESTERN Shoot out West Annually at the BEn Avery Shooting Facility, and in the last 10 years or so has done ZERO out side the Muzzle Blast advertising to promote said event in the Phoenix Metro Area.

The last (3) NMLRA Presidents (Yazel, Fulmer, and Rowland) have made promises to members, and non members, that have never materialized.

 

[tg]

"We must all hang together, or assuradly we shall all hang separately".

Nothing wrong in "going out" in good company

 

[akapennypincher]

"We must all hang together, or assuradly we shall all hang separately".

That clichés is old.

Nothing wrong in "going out" in good company

The above makes Zero CENTS?

 

[tg]

"The above makes Zero CENTS? "

If possible give it a bit more thought, I am quite certain that you would be quite comfortable enjoying your own company in most any undertaking,
PS, there's another one there....

 

[Pork Chop]

"We must all hang together, or assuradly we shall all hang separately".

That clichés is old.

What?? You mean that Ben Franklin isn't current??

 

[akapennypincher]

"The above makes Zero CENTS? "

If possible give it a bit more thought, I am quite certain that you would be quite comfortable enjoying your own company in most any undertaking,
PS, there's another one there....

UR FUNNY Ha Ha. :v

 

[Greenmtnboy]

Well I guess I might as well get in on this.

I think what we have here is a failure to communicate.

On this forum we are all about traditional muzzleloading and that's great. The NMLRA on the other hand has a wider scope, primarily competitive shooting. If you are not a competitive shooter, all the articles on who won what are a big waste of time. A lot of the bevel brothers stuff really centers on accuracy, hence competitive shooting.

So, I am a big supporter of the NMLRA, that said, I have harbored some thoughts.

1. Right now the NMLRA thinks youth programs are the future of the organization. I disagree with this. I think it would be far better to get folks who are already black powder shooters and get them involved in competitive shooting.

Question: Have any of you ever been invited to a competitive shoot? Do you have any idea where such shoots are held in your area? Are you aware of the various categories, such as squirrel, chuck gun, etc? If you started shooting once a month at such an event do you think you might enjoy it?

2. $40.00 a year dues. The "other" magazine is $22.00 a year and focused on only pre-1840 shooting. A lot of folks think for $40.00 "all you get" is a magazine with a lot of articles on shooting events, etc.
Would you join the NMLRA if the dues were $35.00/year?
$30.00/year?
$25.00/year?

What about if the magazine posted the shooting results on line and had more articles in the magazine itself on pre-1840 subject matters or on antique firearms, etc?

What if the NMLRA held more shooting events in your area?

Just interested, hope some of the folks at NMLRA read this- could help.

I'll rejoin if they fire Al Richards or at least no longer publish his inline :bull:

 

[akapennypincher]

Well I guess I might as well get in on this.

I think what we have here is a failure to communicate.

On this forum we are all about traditional muzzleloading and that's great. The NMLRA on the other hand has a wider scope, primarily competitive shooting. If you are not a competitive shooter, all the articles on who won what are a big waste of time. A lot of the bevel brothers stuff really centers on accuracy, hence competitive shooting.

So, I am a big supporter of the NMLRA, that said, I have harbored some thoughts.

1. Right now the NMLRA thinks youth programs are the future of the organization. I disagree with this. I think it would be far better to get folks who are already black powder shooters and get them involved in competitive shooting.

Question: Have any of you ever been invited to a competitive shoot? Do you have any idea where such shoots are held in your area? Are you aware of the various categories, such as squirrel, chuck gun, etc? If you started shooting once a month at such an event do you think you might enjoy it?

2. $40.00 a year dues. The "other" magazine is $22.00 a year and focused on only pre-1840 shooting. A lot of folks think for $40.00 "all you get" is a magazine with a lot of articles on shooting events, etc.
Would you join the NMLRA if the dues were $35.00/year?
$30.00/year?
$25.00/year?

What about if the magazine posted the shooting results on line and had more articles in the magazine itself on pre-1840 subject matters or on antique firearms, etc?

What if the NMLRA held more shooting events in your area?

Just interested, hope some of the folks at NMLRA read this- could help.

I'll rejoin if they fire Al Richards or at least no longer publish his inline :bull:

Inline Manufactures give to many advertising Dollars to the NMLRA, it Dollars, and CENTS.

 

[crockett]

Well, in a way that's some feed back.

1. Less about in-lines . Actually I don't think they really have that much on in-lines- just a few of the hunting articles.

2. Better magazine- some folks think it's recently improved a lot.

3. "It's a local organization- you don't get much for $40.00"- sounds like a lot of folks have never been called or invited to a local shoot. I bet once some folks start shooting in competition with traditional muzzle loaders, with other guys in their area- they're going to like it.

 

[akapennypincher]

Well back in 2001ish Ruger & Company the Gun Manufacturer from Arizona stopped their flow of CASH to the NMLRA, Adds in Muzzle Blast, and Major sponsorship of the NMLRA's Western Shoot. As they got the word from some of the triditionalist INLINE were BAD MOJO.


Funny thing is I talk with one of Ruger VP's about why they build inlines, and not a HAWKIN TYPE Muzzleloader to sell to the "meat hunters", the answer was simple.

I was told the Inline as it looked like a Triditional bolt Action Hunting rifle would be an easier SALE to the Meat hunter seeking to Hunt States ML Seasson.

 

[shootemup]

Funny thing is I talk with one of Ruger VP's about why they build inlines, and not a HAWKIN TYPE Muzzleloader to sell to the "meat hunters", the answer was simple.

I was told the Inline as it looked like a Triditional bolt Action Hunting rifle would be an easier SALE to the Meat hunter seeking to Hunt States ML Seasson.

This is where I came from - I originally got into muzzleloading as a way to extend hunting season. Inlines were far less popular in those days, however.

I don't think we're going to de-invent inlines. I wish we could. :grin:

It's as simple as this - know who you're talking to. Inlines are hunting rifles, pure and simple. When you talk to an inline shooter, you are talking to a hunter. When you're talking to a traditionalist you could be talking to a reenactor, a competitive shooter, a builder, and/OR a hunter.

It's really pretty simple if you think about it. If we want to convert inline shooters into traditionalists, we need to approach them as hunters. I'm not saying this is what the NMLRA is doing, because I think they're just trying to survive. But if WE want to advance our sport and pull people away from inlines, HUNTING is where we should start.

There are some myths out there, and I think the biggest and most influential one is about long-range accuracy. I'm not saying inlines can't be accurate out to 200 yards or further, I'm saying NO gun is accurate at that range in your hands without practice. With practice a traditional gun could be too, although it might take a bit MORE practice, which of course takes time and is exactly what most of us don't have - hence a major part of the problem.

It is also a myth that one needs to be able to shoot that far, but that one is disspelled only through experience, which is another thing inline shooters tend not to have.

The other major myth has to do with ease of cleaning in the inline as opposed to a traditional styled gun. I would love to see a hunting video with a segment in which a guy is shown split-screen cleaning a traditional gun on one side and an inline on the other. The truth is there wouldn't be that much difference (yeah I know, we coddle our guns, but I'm talking about just doing what is necessary to get the gun clean).

I think the way to get 'em is to talk their language. The NMLRA could do this better than anybody, if they would. But again, they're probably just trying to survive at this point.

Spot

 

[Little Wattsy]

Funny thing is I talk with one of Ruger VP's about why they build inlines, and not a HAWKIN TYPE Muzzleloader to sell to the "meat hunters", the answer was simple.

I was told the Inline as it looked like a Triditional bolt Action Hunting rifle would be an easier SALE to the Meat hunter seeking to Hunt States ML Seasson.

This is where I came from - I originally got into muzzleloading as a way to extend hunting season. Inlines were far less popular in those days, however.

I don't think we're going to de-invent inlines. I wish we could. :grin:

It's as simple as this - know who you're talking to. Inlines are hunting rifles, pure and simple. When you talk to an inline shooter, you are talking to a hunter. When you're talking to a traditionalist you could be talking to a reenactor, a competitive shooter, a builder, and/OR a hunter.

It's really pretty simple if you think about it. If we want to convert inline shooters into traditionalists, we need to approach them as hunters. I'm not saying this is what the NMLRA is doing, because I think they're just trying to survive. But if WE want to advance our sport and pull people away from inlines, HUNTING is where we should start.

There are some myths out there, and I think the biggest and most influential one is about long-range accuracy. I'm not saying inlines can't be accurate out to 200 yards or further, I'm saying NO gun is accurate at that range in your hands without practice. With practice a traditional gun could be too, although it might take a bit MORE practice, which of course takes time and is exactly what most of us don't have - hence a major part of the problem.

It is also a myth that one needs to be able to shoot that far, but that one is disspelled only through experience, which is another thing inline shooters tend not to have.

The other major myth has to do with ease of cleaning in the inline as opposed to a traditional styled gun. I would love to see a hunting video with a segment in which a guy is shown split-screen cleaning a traditional gun on one side and an inline on the other. The truth is there wouldn't be that much difference (yeah I know, we coddle our guns, but I'm talking about just doing what is necessary to get the gun clean).

I think the way to get 'em is to talk their language. The NMLRA could do this better than anybody, if they would. But again, they're probably just trying to survive at this point.

Spot

I don't think we're going to de-invent inlines. I wish we could.

You NEVER de-invent tecnology BUT you can inspire and raise to a higher cuase.
I personally am not that hung up on inlines one way or another I shoot what I enjoy and dont WASTE to much time worring about what makes others happy BUT..... For those of you that DO care it would seem to me that the only responsible thing you COULD do would be to join, go to shoots, get involved, and convert/recruit people to your cause. Let the inliners shoot your caplocks and sparkler guns, SHOW them how reliable and functional they are. TEACH them history (God knows that the pubelick skools aren't!) Orrrrrrr you can just sit back and snivel about it, THAT would be easier anyway.
:blah:

 

[crockett]

Why are there in-lines? Probably because someone has put getting a deer above all else and the in-lines are legal in many areas during the muzzle loading season so it becomes the firearm of choice for those simply wanting a few more days of hunting.
Some folks need a scope sight due to poor eyes- another possible reason for in-lines. If black powder cartridge guns were made legal, then they could become the weapon of choice.
Some times a person buys an in-line and finds they like messing with black powder and all the accoutrements and then switches to a traditionalist shooter. The other thing we have to remember is if in-lines were banned then there would be all sorts of cheap- really non-pc sidelocks made- still not what most of us want.
I don't know how to deal with all this however I guess I take an attitude that some may become traditionalists.

 

[Skychief]

Seems I have read several "poo-poos" about the NMLRA recently. They are vague rumblings of discontent though. I was just wondering....what gives? :hmm:

 

[faw3]

Richard you and Paul know how I've felt about the NMLRA, I may belon this second but ..I don't like them, or the way they have done things that no one talks about,but after how ever many years on here kicking them I put up last year all we need is 2000 of us to elect 10 guys from here in 3 races to run the thing, to be BOD, ect and so on...but I got to thinking about something one of you said and I sure wouldnt want the job, it looks like real work,every week,and it seems they just don't get it or all of us are wrong and Ive gone from they dont get it to "maybe we don't have a way to fix what most want done. they had 17,000 plus people that could vote and 1000 did and it was some kind of slap in the face to the prez even if he tryed to make it look good only 1/3 of the people that sent votes back are from the tri-area ssso its not a In,Il,Mo,Oh gun range"! :rotf: (the prez kills me hes a class act for ha-has. I think what you and Paul said back on page one is right aand well put. All I've had really eating me up is they let in-lines run all the records for this or that anaimal shot when i its a in-line it don' belong, that and ol Al said we flint or cap shooters are just less than 1% of sales and hunting so who cares! I DO! They do get letters and phone calls and if you dont go along with the way they want it to run then send 40 bucks and shut up is the answer I got. Can't help it guys I read Cline first before I joined and belived they would be ??? I dont know now,20 yrs back it sure lookeed more fun and a lot better, as far as what to do now I don't know, I do see maybe THIS is just maybe, they are going to get the NRA to help run it, like they (NRA) couldnt stand BPCR till they saw the bucks being made and jumped on takeing over all the small clubs. The best idea from last time we ran this was what let Claude put them up a page so members could twell them whats right and wrong, maybe thats the only thing that will save it in the end. Heck with this new "PREZ" it looks like Rev War muskets will be "assult rifles and outlawed in 2009" not a joke they did pull one from one state house over hangig the front door last time for that reason (anyone want to tell us what state"??? Because my legs are messed up I won't get to " The Battle of someones farm" put on by a blue/gray grp this weekend out by Camp Ford a re prison, and someother things, at least someone is still into it over 3000 showed last year. While joinnning helps its really going to take some Richards and paulvallandighams to fix or or get right is a better word the NMLRA along with another 30 like them. Fred :hatsoff: as you said Paul Obama has a way to fix that 2nd...just put the USA on the UNs gun law since it trumps any of our laws9 I can see them our own NG if they get them to come home to take our guns away, but as I told my son as I showed him how to make home made hand guns and rifles in case , it was done here 200 some od years ago and I pray you dont see what Im afraid is comeing cause at 18 I would be a figter ect, hope it dont get that bad. If ya all ind a way to get the NMLRA to turn around some (and I think it's already in the wind they just want it to look like they thought of it) heck I'll end with that, good luck guys at least I dont want to just give in and tell everyone RUN from the NMLRA. Have a day.