NMLRA Membership

[akapennypincher]

:grin: The NMLRA is a good organization the problem is one that is typical of such organizations. That it is impossible to please everyone . Most of the complaints seem to be ideas that for whatever reason the NMLRA did not act upon so the various individuals get a sour graps attitude towards tha NMLRA.

Above words of wisdom was post by, "Anonymous", so now we have Anonymous MEMBERS??????????
:bull:

 

[Zonie]

The only times I have seen "anonymous"'s posts he no longer existed on the Forum.

There have been times that a member has specifically asked to have his membership deleted, and there have been times that a persons membership was deleted by the owner of the forum.

 

[akapennypincher]

The only times I have seen "anonymous"'s posts he no longer existed on the Forum.

There have been times that a member has specifically asked to have his membership deleted, and there have been times that a persons membership was deleted by the owner of the forum.

Thanks for the reply.

 

NO that is not what McKeal is saying to you. Complain all you want. But the magazine here is for a membership organization, and authors are not paid very much for their articles. Most come from members- not professional writers.

Okay, I understand that there's no point in joining just for the magazine. If one joins, they should understand that it's a "club" and everyone is expected to work, even if you live a thousand miles from the activities and you can't write for beans. I guess that's why it has nothing to offer me.

 

[paulvallandigham]

If your writing here is an example of your writing talent, you grossly underestimate yourself, sir.

YOu won't know how well you write a story until you have written it, edited several drafts, set it aside for a couple of weeks, then gone back and read it again, editing it, and then re-writing a final draft. Even then, you won't be happy with the final product, if you are a good writer.

I meet people all the time who somehow have the midguided idea that writers just write a single draft, that no editor edits it, no proofreader corrects spelling, and word choices, or corrects the tenses of verbs, and syntax in general.

Let me assure them, and you, if you are one of them, that writing is hard work, no matter how many years you have worked trying to write.

 

[crockett]

Well I'll throw out some more thoughts.
1. The NRA has about 3 million members, the NMLRA has (I think) about 15,000 members. As far as a political force, the two can't be compared, what's more, what political agenda would an organization of black powder/muzzle loading shooters have? The only ones I can think of is shipping black powder, maybe muzzle loading gun seasons, etc. For a general gun issue, that ought to probably be handled by the NRA.
2. All sorts of in-line articles. Where? I never see anything on in-line firearms except an occasional Al Raychard hunting article (monthly column)but he also has plenty of photographs with traditional arms. There are other black powder hunting magazines that deal a lot with the in-lines- not Muzzle Blasts.
Antique Firearms- every issue has a column on antique firearms.
History- America's Yesterday is a monthly column on history.
Shooting- the Bevel Brothers is a monthly column on shooting, some stuff is pretty interesting such as dimpling a round lead ball to resemble a golf ball to see if it flies straighter- longer. Comparing various flints, all sorts of interesting stuff.
Trekking- John Curry has a monthly column on trekking.
Gunsmithing/gun building- lots of stuff.
Free lance articles- I don't think anyone is interested in a Pulitzer prize, the main point is to convey useful information on a particular topic.

Okay, now that I have praised the NMLRA I hope some of the top folks at the NMLRA are reading this topic.

It seems to me, it may be better to expand the magazine with more articles.

Make a real effort at hosting regional events and contacting folks to attend. One thing I think would be really neat is if at these events a few folks offered others to try their firearms, like a chuck gun, Schuetzen rifle (false muzzle), a flintlock, a trade gun, a muzzle loading shotgun,maybe pattern the shot on a trade gun, a squirrel rifle,a pistol and how to load one when the handle is curved, etc. Muzzle loading guns are pretty expensive, getting to try out something would really be great. Also, have an entry level type event to introduce more folks to the various types of shooting contests.

I think all the interest in promoting youth shoots, etc may be money down a rat hole.

 

[akapennypincher]

Okay, now that I have praised the NMLRA I hope some of the top folks at the NMLRA are reading this topic.

Read they may do, but if the had some GUTS they would join the Forum, and participate. LIKE I Said IF!!!!!!! :rotf:

 

[graybeard]

Paul: I think you are dead right. I don't agree with everything the NRA says, nor with my church, for that matter. But I think both, as well as the NMLRA, are worth supporting. I suspect we are about to lose this election big time and we are going to need everything we can get on our side. An upsurge in NRA, NMLRA and other shooting organizations' membership would be a big help. graybeard

 

[Greenmtnboy]

Well I guess I might as well get in on this.

I think what we have here is a failure to communicate.

On this forum we are all about traditional muzzleloading and that's great. The NMLRA on the other hand has a wider scope, primarily competitive shooting. If you are not a competitive shooter, all the articles on who won what are a big waste of time. A lot of the bevel brothers stuff really centers on accuracy, hence competitive shooting.

So, I am a big supporter of the NMLRA, that said, I have harbored some thoughts.

1. Right now the NMLRA thinks youth programs are the future of the organization. I disagree with this. I think it would be far better to get folks who are already black powder shooters and get them involved in competitive shooting.

Question: Have any of you ever been invited to a competitive shoot? Do you have any idea where such shoots are held in your area? Are you aware of the various categories, such as squirrel, chuck gun, etc? If you started shooting once a month at such an event do you think you might enjoy it?

2. $40.00 a year dues. The "other" magazine is $22.00 a year and focused on only pre-1840 shooting. A lot of folks think for $40.00 "all you get" is a magazine with a lot of articles on shooting events, etc.
Would you join the NMLRA if the dues were $35.00/year?
$30.00/year?
$25.00/year?

What about if the magazine posted the shooting results on line and had more articles in the magazine itself on pre-1840 subject matters or on antique firearms, etc?

What if the NMLRA held more shooting events in your area?

Just interested, hope some of the folks at NMLRA read this- could help.

I'll rejoin if they fire Al Richards or at least no longer publish his inline :bull:

Inline Manufactures give to many advertising Dollars to the NMLRA, it Dollars, and CENTS.

I diden't say inline advertisment, altho muzzleloader mag seems to do just fine without it.
I'm saying Al Richards and his anti traditional rifle season tirades like the one in last months muzzleblast when he slamed states that were still somewhat trad as being antiquated, meaning if they don't allow scoped inlines, blah, blah, blah,etc.. then they and all the trad hunters in their perspective states MUST!! be out of touch.
:bull:
The NMLRA does nothing for the western shooting community and they are not a gun lobby so I'm gonna spend my fourty bucks next spring on beer for my hard working snow shovelers knowing full well I'll reap the benifits next fall when same said shovelers come hunting with me and help me pack my elk out.
THATS MONEY WELL SPENT!!

:hatsoff:

 

[Old Salt]

Okay, now that I have praised the NMLRA I hope some of the top folks at the NMLRA are reading this topic.

Read they may do, but if the had some GUTS they would join the Forum, and participate. LIKE I Said IF!!!!!!! :rotf:

From what I've read in the majority of your posts you would do or say anything to give the NMLRA a bad name.

Consider that you also give the MLF a bad name by continuing to spew forth your anti NMLRA venom on this forum.

The NMLRA is a club for people who share a common hobby. A hobby is a way to enjoy one's spare time and money.

If you can not find any enjoyment in the NMLRA then you are not obliged to participate in any of the events.

You are welcome to find any other club that fulfills your needs. But for the sake of the people who do enjoy and value an NMLRA membership please STOP THE VENEMOUS ATTACK!

Salt

 

[R.M.]

:applause: Thanks Salt
He's been kicked off of at least one board for his rants. Why would he not try the same here.

 

[crockett]

akapennypincher: actually they probably do read this forum, one monthly column is web blasts by Alan Garbers in which various wet sites are listed and this site is continually listed as a good place to visit.

The reason I asked folks to voice their complaints is because it seems to me a group at NMLRA are of the opinion that the future of the organization depends on youth getting interested in muzzle loading. Now they may be right and I may be wrong- been known too happen- but it seems to me that is a wrong approach because the youngsters may lose interest when they advance into adulthood. Whatsmore, a lot of kids that are forced into something detest it and want out ASAP. Personally I think it would be better to go after adults already interested in shooting, one group would be those who reload for modern ammunition. Anyone who reloads is already a guy that likes to fool around and tinker with stuff and a lot of muzzle loading is that way. Duck hunters- duck hunting is an equipment/ gadget heavy sport and so is muzzle loading- I'm dedicated to the NMLRA but I think they ought to do more market testing on how to build the membership, right now the membership isn't growing at all.

One useful comment that I believe has come from this discussion is that a lot of you feel the organization is a far off, Indiana based outfit and there isn't enough local effort in your particular areas.

 

[akapennypincher]

Okay, now that I have praised the NMLRA I hope some of the top folks at the NMLRA are reading this topic.

Read they may do, but if the had some GUTS they would join the Forum, and participate. LIKE I Said IF!!!!!!! :rotf:

From what I've read in the majority of your posts you would do or say anything to give the NMLRA a bad name.

Consider that you also give the MLF a bad name by continuing to spew forth your anti NMLRA venom on this forum.

The NMLRA is a club for people who share a common hobby. A hobby is a way to enjoy one's spare time and money.

If you can not find any enjoyment in the NMLRA then you are not obliged to participate in any of the events.

You are welcome to find any other club that fulfills your needs. But for the sake of the people who do enjoy and value an NMLRA membership please STOP THE VENEMOUS ATTACK!

Salt

Let see were you ever nominated for NMLRA Field Rep of the YEAR?

I was !!!

I am entitled to my opinion, like your are entitled to your?

BTW in 1999 HOW MANY NMLRA MEMBERSHIP did you sell?

In the 9/99 Membership Contest?

 

[akapennypincher]

:applause: Thanks Salt
He's been kicked off of at least one board for his rants. Why would he not try the same here.

So people can not stand the TRUTH. Are you Voting for OBAMA the BIGGEST LIER?

IMHO Most of the NMLRA Directors are COWARDS afraid to talk openly about the NMLRA on a Public Forum.

Ask your self how many NMLRA Director are on this Forum ? ZERO.......:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

That is why IMHO THE NMLRA will soon be a thing we talk about that was like Dinosaures.. :bull:

 

[Claude Mathis]

Ask your self how many NMLRA Director are on this Forum ? ZERO

For what it's worth, you have no way to know who is a member of this Forum.

 

[Pork Chop]

Ask your self how many NMLRA Director are on this Forum ? ZERO

For what it's worth, you have no way to know who is a member of this Forum.

No, he can't, but YOU can Claude! Care to share the knowledge?

 

[Claude Mathis]

Ask your self how many NMLRA Director are on this Forum ? ZERO

For what it's worth, you have no way to know who is a member of this Forum.

No, he can't, but YOU can Claude! Care to share the knowledge?

No. A member's public profile contains the information they have chosen to share. I cannot (will not) share anything beyond that.

 

[Old Salt]

Okay, now that I have praised the NMLRA I hope some of the top folks at the NMLRA are reading this topic.

Read they may do, but if the had some GUTS they would join the Forum, and participate. LIKE I Said IF!!!!!!! :rotf:

From what I've read in the majority of your posts you would do or say anything to give the NMLRA a bad name.

Consider that you also give the MLF a bad name by continuing to spew forth your anti NMLRA venom on this forum.

The NMLRA is a club for people who share a common hobby. A hobby is a way to enjoy one's spare time and money.

If you can not find any enjoyment in the NMLRA then you are not obliged to participate in any of the events.

You are welcome to find any other club that fulfills your needs. But for the sake of the people who do enjoy and value an NMLRA membership please STOP THE VENEMOUS ATTACK!

Salt

Let see were you ever nominated for NMLRA Field Rep of the YEAR?

I was !!!

I am entitled to my opinion, like your are entitled to your?

BTW in 1999 HOW MANY NMLRA MEMBERSHIP did you sell?

In the 9/99 Membership Contest?

At some point in time I think you need to bury the hatchet.

How does it help you or how does it help muzzleloading in general to continue the rant.

Imagine if you will the 18,000 or so NMLRA members who read the web blast column and see the semi annual praise for MLF. Let's say for the sake of conversation about 13,000 of them log on to MLF with the hopes of engaging in intelligent conversation about the hobby they enjoy.

Within about two weeks they will be exposed to your endless bitterness due to some percieved slight the NMLRA sent in your direction. Your buddies pile on, the moderators let it go and pretty soon it's clear this web forum has an anti NMLRA bias.

In the end some good NMLRA members with years and years of valuable expereince decide to move on with their hobby while you stay here and spread the poison.

The irony in my mind is that Alan Garbers continues to sing the MLF praise at all.

Salt

 

[Old Salt]

:applause: Thanks Salt
He's been kicked off of at least one board for his rants. Why would he not try the same here.

So people can not stand the TRUTH. Are you Voting for OBAMA the BIGGEST LIER?

IMHO Most of the NMLRA Directors are COWARDS afraid to talk openly about the NMLRA on a Public Forum.

Ask your self how many NMLRA Director are on this Forum ? ZERO.......:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

That is why IMHO THE NMLRA will soon be a thing we talk about that was like Dinosaures.. :bull:

Are you the director of this forum?

You are a member here and I am an NMLRA member. Why does the conversation need to go to the top?

Salt

 

[tg]

I have watched Don Bruce Qxiote do battle against the cyberspace windmill of the NMLRA (among other things) for ten years, I do think it is what keeps him going, I fear that if his antagonists were defeated he would quietly fade away...