Pedersoli Barrel Rust

[blhorton]

I have a .32 cal. Pedersoli "Kentucky" rifle that I built from one of their kits. My problem is that I can't seem to keep the rifle's barrel (interior) from rusting between shootin sessions. Here's the run-up to the situation:
I browned the barrel using Plum Brown. During the process I appied a heavy coating of T/C Bore Butter and plugged the drum hole and muzzle after thoroughly cleaning the bore. I figured the heating process would allow the Bore Butter to get into the pores of the metal and condition the bore. (I have had excellent success using Bore Butter in my T/C Hawken as far as conditioning and rust preventive.) When I started shooting my .32 I cleaned the bore after each session and ran a patch saturated in Bore Butter through the bore prior to storage. Each time I started a new shooting session I would wipe the bore with a dry patch. Each time it would come out with a little rust on it! I even tried the old method of cleaning the bore with boiling water/detergent and drying the bore while it was still so hot I had to wear gloves to hang on to it before applying a coat of BB. Anybody out there have any suggestions?

Bangor Barry

 

[jtmattison]

My only suggestion would be to use a real gun oil to protect the bore after cleaning. IMO Bore Butter is best used as patch lube, not to protect metal.

HD

 

[gmww]

I don't rely on bore butter to keep the gun rust protected. I clean it thoroughly down to metal and put it away with a coat of WD40. Others use other petroleum products.

My suggestion is to us JB bore cleaner to get it to metal again followed by several patches of WD40 to clean out the abrasives from the JB paste. Just my humble opinion. Others have there own solutions I'm sure.

 

[romeoh]

I haven´t noticed any difference between Pedersoli barrels and others so far. :surrender:

I suggest to take the gun and run a few patches through 1-2 days after you cleaned it. They can "sweat" a little after you cleaned it what may cause the rust.

No experiences with bore butter here. But I clean based on the Dutch Schoultz method just with patches soaked with a Ballistol/water mix.
When they come out clean I run another patch with WD40 through.
Works for me. :thumbsup:

 

[Dphar]

I have a .32 cal. Pedersoli "Kentucky" rifle that I built from one of their kits. My problem is that I can't seem to keep the rifle's barrel (interior) from rusting between shootin sessions. Here's the run-up to the situation:
I browned the barrel using Plum Brown. During the process I appied a heavy coating of T/C Bore Butter and plugged the drum hole and muzzle after thoroughly cleaning the bore. I figured the heating process would allow the Bore Butter to get into the pores of the metal and condition the bore. (I have had excellent success using Bore Butter in my T/C Hawken as far as conditioning and rust preventive.) When I started shooting my .32 I cleaned the bore after each session and ran a patch saturated in Bore Butter through the bore prior to storage. Each time I started a new shooting session I would wipe the bore with a dry patch. Each time it would come out with a little rust on it! I even tried the old method of cleaning the bore with boiling water/detergent and drying the bore while it was still so hot I had to wear gloves to hang on to it before applying a coat of BB. Anybody out there have any suggestions?

Bangor Barry

What propellant??
Some substitutes will cause rust under an oil film even if "clean".

Dan

 

[flashes79]

Bangor Barry,
Funny that you posted this, I was about to post a similar message asking for help with a rusty barrel also. I have a Pedersoli Frontier .32 caliber that after I've cleaned it and stored it, and then run a patch through it, it comes our rusty also! Frustrating! The other thing I have in common with your post is that I was coating my barrel with TC Bore Butter also when I was storing it.Maybe the TC Bore Butter is the problem?

I've tried different cleaning solvents, thinking that was the problem, but rust seems to reappear. Thought about coating it with WD-40 when storing it as someone suggested, maybe that will work. My question also is how do you get rid of rust in the barrel???

 

[Dphar]

Forgot...
How much rust?
To stop it if its caused by plumb brown (very doubtful) or fouling.
Remove from stock and wash the heck put of it with hot soapy water, this will remove the gunk you have been using for a "protectant".
Rinse with hot water then dry and oil with a RUST PREVENTATIVE gun oil. G-96, Rem Oil, Break Free etc.
Most of the various "patch lubes" are snake oil anyway and I sure would not trust them to protect a bore.

Dan

 

[Dphar]

My question also is how do you get rid of rust in the barrel???

Lap it out, days work or more, have it recut, or replace the barrel.
Depends on the "depth" of the problem.

Dan

 

[cowpoke1955]

First off, welcome to the forum. Like Dawg, I use Bore Butter for conical lube ONLY! There is no need to season modern steel barrels like the old iron barrels. Bore Butter is a wax base and can trap water between the BB and the barrel, causing rust. A lot of people complain about "flash rusting" when using hot water. Try cool or luke warm water. As others have mentioned, use a coat of WD-40. This will displace any moisture in your barrel. Then I run a patch soaked in ssssshhhhhhhhh....3 in 1 oil. Been using it since 1960 and never had a rust problem with anything, including my Pedersoli Blue Ridge. Just run an alcohol patch down the barrel before going to the range to remove any leftover oil.

 

[LeMat1856]

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. june 30 / 2:;35pm

it is just possible that you're not getting all the fouling out during the cleaning process.. try using brass brushes with a quality bore solvent each time and repeat until the final patches are almost pure white.

also, you may have some pinhole rust spots that just aren't getting scraped back down to steel during each recleaning so i'll second dan phariss's recommendation: "...Lap it out" - possibly steel wool - and then rewash with your hot water / solvent method followed immediately by drying with either alcohol patch or a cotton bore buffer followed by generous swabbing with patch soaked in birchwood casey gun oil (has ptfe in it).. test with clean dry patch 1 or 2 days later.. the bore butter 'conditioner' is used only for long term (couple of weeks) storage *after* it's thoroughlly clean.. i use one called cabela's blackpowder pistol lube.



you'll be able to write a book after all this ! !

~d~

 

[BriR]

Bore Butter is absolute garbage for use in protecting your bore and I know this from experience. Several years ago I was shooting my T/C .54 cal Hawken and noticed that its accuracy with roundballs had dropped off significantly since shooting it last, probably a couple of years previous. I also noticed that my patches had little tears in them.

When I got home and cleaned the rifle, I dropped a light into the bore and saw that it was dark and rough looking, obviously corroded. This was a rifle that I had been "protecting" with bore butter, as T/C recommended in its manual. Now, at the time I had two other rifles, a CVA Mountain Rifle that I probably had not shot in 7-8 years, and a Cabela's Hawken that was made by Hastings Barrel Co. for Cabela's. Both of these rifles had never been protected with anything other than a good gun oil. When I dropped a light into the bores to check them, they were bright, shiny and perfect looking.

When I called T/C and told the technician my story, he confirmed to me that bore butter was manure to protect a bore and that they had several returned to them with the same problem as mine. He told me to return it, and within a week or so T/C had sent me out a brand new barrel.

Needless to say, I'll use the stuff to lube conicals and patches, but never again to "protect" the bore after cleaning.

 

[renovato]

I noticed several other posters mentioned "solvent". If you're using a solvent to clean, that could be part of the problem also. While solvents are good at cutting through fouling, they do nothing to rinse out the corrosive salts. Try switching to soapy water to clean with, and follow up with a true metal protectant. The best I've found so far is CorrosionX, but almost any gun oil will do for short term storage.

 

[hanshi]

There's no big deal to cleaning and preserving the bore. Bore Butter is garbage for anything except maybe lubing patches and there are much better patch lubes available. 1. Clean with water, with or without soap. I like WARM water with a little soap. 2. Use a good gun oil or 3 in 1 oil. WD40 is good but (for me) isn't as long lasting as the carrier evaporates and doesn't leave that much oil behind. I follow up WD40 with a good oil coat. That's all there is to it. No secrets, no special formulas, no expensive manure to buy that doesn't work.

 

[Semisane]

Hunting Dawg: My only suggestion would be to use a real gun oil to protect the bore after cleaning. IMO Bore Butter is best used as patch lube, not to protect metal.

gmww: I don't rely on bore butter to keep the gun rust protected.

cowpoke: Bore Butter is a wax base and can trap water between the BB and the barrel, causing rust.

BriR: Bore Butter is absolute garbage for use in protecting your bore and I know this from experience.

hanshi: Bore Butter is garbage for anything except maybe lubing patches

See a pattern here? I agree with each of the above quotes. Been there, quit doing that. The bore butter is your problem. Clean well, then a 91% alcohol patch, then an oil patch. You'll never see rust again.

 

[Jumpshot]

I used Bore Butter years ago to protect the bore, but it didn't seem like it was doing a good job. I keep the bore oiled with BreakFree now and it works fine.

 

[oldarmy]

Bore butter is a great lube, but not a preservative.
I recommend a good cleaning with water, or one of the current BP solutions.. After wiping out the bore.. use WD40..
Why??? WD40 is an anti-water solution. Spray it in the barrel and patch..wipe it out..
ALWAYS CHECK THE NEXT DAY for RUST :thumbsup:

 

[sqqy14]

I agree with all the others. I did the bore butter thing with a T/C New Englander that I had. Rust spots would appear in the bore. It works fine as a patch lube or conical lube, but thats it. Give her a good scrubbing and coat the inside with a quality gun oil or WD-40. Check it in a few days with a dry patch and recoat with the oil.

Bob

 

[tg]

The general theme of most replies has been good advise, I like regular gun oil when finished cleaning/removing moisture, just make sure and remaning oil is removed before you load up again, I use an alch. patch and then dry patch for this and pipe cleaner for vent.

 

[robertdale]

dan, i think your the only one who got it right.
after wd dry up there is Nothing left . works ok if you shoot 3-4 days later.

 

[oldarmy]

All of these answers are correct.
I shoot my black powder weapons... both rifles and pistols allot during the GOOD weather in northern NEW HAMPSHIRE. In the winter.. I will clean and use a heavier oil to prevent rust.
The old advise about Oil and BP not mixing is only some what true.
You need to oil your weapons,,clean them before shooting :v