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Travis B said:
That walnut is a lot easier to work with than any curly maple. Enjoy that straight grain!!! I've had the pleasure of working with the most curliest grain I've ever had the pleasure of meeting. Its a grade 5 curly maple and its beautiful but man is it a pain.

Not sure of other pedersoli stocks, but mine is certainly being a pain to work with... Splintering and chipping, definitely not my tools causing the issue as I originally thought. Tried some carving work on a scrap piece of maple and no issue's at all.
 
Crewdawg445 said:
Not sure of other pedersoli stocks, but mine is certainly being a pain to work with... Splintering and chipping,

From what I've done so far on mine, I'm having the same experience with chipping. My carving tools shave hair, so that's not it. I have to go very slowly and carefully to avoid it. It seems worse right at the original surface, so I've wondered if it's something in the original finish that binds to the surface layer of wood and then wants to pull up with the cut beyond where you want it. Once I get past the original surface, the issue seems to be reduced substantially. :idunno:
 
IMO, the pedersoli European walnut is a far cry from ours... However, I can say after striping my stock this evening I'm rather impressed with the grain and figure in the stock, It's rather beautiful. Should pop nicely with some handrubbed BLO.
 
I have posted and notated about 40 more pictures on my Flickr page.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/100435142@N08/albums/72157650877821348

These show the reworking of the ramrod channel to thin the web and bring the sides down substantially to show more ramrod. Also the entry thimble inlet. The forward portion of the forestock is also now rough shaped (ready for sanding). Took off a LOT of wood changing the shape and slimming it substantially.

I still need to do the transition from the nosecap to the ramrod channel. Sanding will also reduce a bit more.

I'll now move back to the rear portion of the forestock.

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Beautiful! Your pictures really stand out to me and put me to shame... lol, I haven't gone nearly as far with mine as you have. However, I'm still impressed on how she's turning out. Really like what you've done, and if I hadn't stained my stock already I'd consider removing even more wood. Wonderful job as usual! :hatsoff:
 
Spikebuck said:
if you double click on a picture, it will enlarge the size and allow you to see the build notes I am making under the pic.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/100435142@N08/sets/72157650877821348

Finally got going on this project again...high temps below zero have a way of doing that!

Except for some minor tweaks and sanding the project is almost done back through the lock panels. A LOT of wood has been removed and the forestock would be unrecognizeable as a Pedersoli Frontier. Nose cap, entry thimble, and sideplate added to spice it up.

After inletting the side plate, I'll move to the buttstock where I'll do some minor reshaping of the wrist (taking off the factory "ridges" that run down both sides), reshape the cheek piece and install a small star, add a small patchbox.

I also need to work on the trigger guard to inlet it somewhat...which is something several here have mentioned that would help these guns. Since it is directly attached to the trigger assembly, and I cannot set that deeper, I'll have to inset the trigger assembly into the guard by the same amount I inlet the guard into the stock.

Anyway...a lot done and more to come on this project!
 
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When you're done, you should send pics to Pedersoli and license the new design to them. It sure ain't a Frontier any more! :grin:

Very well done. Your attention to detail has really paid off.
 
When you're done, you should send pics to Pedersoli and license the new design to them

I Disagree. :haha: OK Well I AGREE that the new design that you have should be sold, BUT....I think instead of Pedersoli...it would be better to approach Dunlap Woodcraft in VA to make after market stocks out of maple so that the person who gets one of the Frontier/Blue Ridge Hunters, and later wants to "upgrade" to a better shaped stock can simply order one pre-shaped from them.

I'd go with two versions. One would be the one you did, and the other would keep the Italian lock (for guys who would have trouble with the lock kit), but do all the other modifications. The buyer of course would need to buy the thimbles, nose cap, and side plate and add the barrel tennons and correct sights in either case.

A great set of photos showing step by step procedures.... very cool indeed.

LD
 
More work done since my last post. Side plate has been installed and the lock bolt put in place. The trigger guard has been inlet...that has been a common comment here on the forum about how ugly those trigger guards are sticking up so much from the wood. I installed the forward ramrod thimbles. I then moved back to the buttstock and took the "ridge" off the wrist rounding and blending it in, reworked the cheek piece (still a tad more wood to come off there...not quite happy with it yet), and I installed a simple patchbox.

Page 3 of my photo album has the pictures to-date since my last post. As always, double clicking a picture will allow you to see my build comments under it. I have been trying to remember to take "before" pictures for comparison.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/100435142@N08/albums/72157650877821348/page3

Next I need to figure out my patchbox latch. Since the buttplate on these is quite thin...only about 1 1/8" wide, the push button version may be quite "tight" due to post and spring. Looking at other varieties. I need to hollow out the patchbox cavity. I'll also go back over the entire rifle for final minor wood removal, sanding, etc. Then on to finishing.

Comments welcome!
 
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Congratulations for the work you have done so far, truly inspirational, in fact I have a very similar Pedersoli rifle to this one and am really inspired by your post to make some modifications to it. Nothing too serious though!!
This is probably my most viewed post so far
 
Very nice work! :bow: Turning that "pig's ear into a silk purse" in my opinion. The wrist angle on those rifles just doesn't work for me, but others find them just right.
Keep up the good work and keep the pictures coming.
Ed
 
very impressive work. you are giving me a lot of ideas on what I can do with a blown out cva 45 flinter I bought as a fixer upper for 20 bucks a few years back. really impressive. your breech plug tang, could you have filed the top down a little bit and soldered on a piece of steel to achieve a similar result if you don't have access to welding?
 
Obi-Wan Cannoli said:
your breech plug tang, could you have filed the top down a little bit and soldered on a piece of steel to achieve a similar result if you don't have access to welding?

I'm sure a lot of people would have just completely cut off the tang that was there and too narrow and welded one on that was of better proportions. I just gave mine to my son-in-law and told him to get a bead around the edge, but to do it slowly and carefully so as not to heat the plug. It worked, but probably resulted in more work for me in shaping. I'm sure there are a bunch of acceptable solutions and yours would probably work too.
 
Your pictures of your continuing build are fantastic not only have you shown how to remodel a production gun into something unique, but a person just building one from parts and a partially carved stock could follow somewhat to complete their own gun. I have how to books that need your pictures. Will wait to see finished rifle.
 
BrownBear said:
Spikebuck said:
Comments welcome!

Kinda hard to make comments when you leave me speechless. Wow. Very well done, and I'm looking forward to the finished rifle. :applause:
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Last Sunday after the "Dan and Mike's Great Adventure.we headed back to Mike's place.

It was show and tell time.....always fun with another black powder guy! :grin:
Brown Bear this rifle was slender and well balanced...
It's even better in the hand..NO B.S....
Did not feel more than 4-5 lbs.
Mike I'd be willing to store it for you when completed...Keep it oiled etc....Just trying to help...
I hope to shoot it in the next year....
Time to retire Mike..."in our day dreams" and build full time.. :haha:
 
The Frontier Rebuild is nearing completion. I still have to finish some minor tweeks, final sanding and making sure things look right. I have a star inlay for the cheekpiece and a small acorn inlay that will cover an old sight mounting hole in the wrist and become kind of a thumbpiece. I am going to bed the breech as I have never liked the way Pedersoli many times had no wood right under the breech area...the barrel kind of "hangs". I haven't decided what to do with the barrel and lock...leaved them in the white or put a nice grey patina on it. Then, of course, staining and finish. Hopefully another month and she'll be all done. Just thought since it's been a year, I'd post the progress pictures.

The Chamber's builders lock is smooth as silk. I'm really glad I put the work into using this lock and sent back both the L&R "drop in" and Pedersoli Flint, neither of which could compare to Chamber's quality. The old trigger pull was about 10 pounds with the old percussion Pedersoli lock. Now the trigger pull without the set trigger is maybe 3-4#.

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The forestock has been super-slimmed. I think the Frontier stock had more extra wood than some kit guns have! She's a skinny girl now. Not only did I take wood off the sides and taper them into the barrel vs the big flat tops it originally had, I have also removed wood off the top to give more barrel reveal and a lot off the bottom, then reshaping the ramrod channel. I also dispensed with the thin wood ramrod it had and replaced it with a 3/8" wood rod that tapers down to 5/16. There is already a threaded brass end on the part that goes in the gun and I'll install another on the muzzle end of the rod.

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Those of you following this already know this was originally a .36 that I had rebored by Bobby Hoyt to a .45 with a 1-56 twist round bottom grooves. A new tang was put on and shaped. The panels were reshaped and thinned and a side plate was added. New sights were installed.

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A brass patchbox with a button on top of the buttplate to operate it was installed. New thimbles were installed that pin, including an entry thimble. The barrel is now pinned vs the old screw-on method through the old thimbles.

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Almost all areas of the stock were reshaped, including the cheekpiece. Like I mentioned, I'll be adding a star inlay on the cheekpiece and a small acorn thumbpiece.

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You can't really see it on these pics, but in addition to inletting the trigger guard, I have also now filed tapers around the edges that still stuck up to further try to make that area look a lot better.

This project has dragged into it's third year now, so it will be nice to get it wrapped up. I will say this thing feels so nice in the hand now, I have no doubt I'll be putting it to use. Much better balance and feel.

For those who say the work and cost is not worth it...you're probably right! I wouldn't recommend it. :shake: But for about $300 and a great additional gun building learning experience, I'll end up with a near-custom gun. :)

Comments and suggestions welcome!

For those that want to review all aspects of this major rebuild, you can view all the pics, and their corresponding commentary at my Flickr Album.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/100435142@N08/albums/72157650877821348/page1
 
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