I know the progressive rifling of PH 1858s and 1853s differences vs other repos...but is there any big reasons for a PH over a modern Pedersoli repro Whitworth? Other than new Pedersoli's are readily available?
TIA,
Brian
TIA,
Brian
Pedersoli vs Parker Hale Whitworth
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I can do no more to convince you than ask you to watch Brett Gibbons' latest YouTube post - a tale of two Whitworths....I've included my preamble from the Whitworth Collectors' page of FB - yesterday, coincidentally, was Sir Joseph's birthday. I bought my first P-H Whitworth [#888] in 1986, and second ]#420] in 2022.
'Happy Birthday, Sir Joseph! And to celebrate the event, here's Brett's latest YT production with a debut of a 1980-made Parker-Hale Whitworth, the very first shots EVER from this iconic rifle, showing clearly why they are so valued by the cognoscenti - that is to say, us poor folks who can't quite step up to the heady finances of a genuine article. Brett is shooting his EuroArms with less success, but with just as much fun, no doubt.'
Please note that the hexagonal Whitworth rofling is NOT progressive. The bullet, if a hexagon, is a fit for the rifling with a turn of, I bleeve, 1:20, and makes a perfect fit on firing. A cylindrical bullet like the multi-groove Lyman, turns into a hexagon with the help of between 70 and 90gr of 3Fg. Both shapes work perfectly well. You can clearly see the six-sided holes in this target, shot with my original rifle many moons ago -
This is the first ten shots with #420, last year. Again, the bullets were round and the holes are hexagonal....
and here is the rifle...
'Happy Birthday, Sir Joseph! And to celebrate the event, here's Brett's latest YT production with a debut of a 1980-made Parker-Hale Whitworth, the very first shots EVER from this iconic rifle, showing clearly why they are so valued by the cognoscenti - that is to say, us poor folks who can't quite step up to the heady finances of a genuine article. Brett is shooting his EuroArms with less success, but with just as much fun, no doubt.'
Please note that the hexagonal Whitworth rofling is NOT progressive. The bullet, if a hexagon, is a fit for the rifling with a turn of, I bleeve, 1:20, and makes a perfect fit on firing. A cylindrical bullet like the multi-groove Lyman, turns into a hexagon with the help of between 70 and 90gr of 3Fg. Both shapes work perfectly well. You can clearly see the six-sided holes in this target, shot with my original rifle many moons ago -
This is the first ten shots with #420, last year. Again, the bullets were round and the holes are hexagonal....
and here is the rifle...
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Absolutely, Happy Birthday, Sir Joseph!
I got to meet Brett on a weekend getaway with my wife a couple of months ago in Gettysberg the weekend he got back from being deployed. I bought the Destroying Angel from him, and he even gave a few of his Pritchetts for the Enfield. A major seed was planted there. Thanks to a couple of folks here, I have started down that path of the 1853/1858s.
Next adventure will be saving for a Whitworth! Other than saving $$$ want to get to be as knowledgeable as I can get but also ensure the Pedersoli is inline with the PHs which are a bit harder to find...
Looks like Parker Hale wins that round!
I got to meet Brett on a weekend getaway with my wife a couple of months ago in Gettysberg the weekend he got back from being deployed. I bought the Destroying Angel from him, and he even gave a few of his Pritchetts for the Enfield. A major seed was planted there. Thanks to a couple of folks here, I have started down that path of the 1853/1858s.
Next adventure will be saving for a Whitworth! Other than saving $$$ want to get to be as knowledgeable as I can get but also ensure the Pedersoli is inline with the PHs which are a bit harder to find...
Looks like Parker Hale wins that round!
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Joseph Whitworth was born at Stockport, on the 21st of December, 1803. I have on my web site a contemporary memoir and portrait of Whitworth, that was published in ‘The National Portrait Gallery‘ c1878. However, also browse the site further and you will fine much information on Whitworth rifles.
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Mr Dungspreader - a much-missed poster to this forum who lived and farmed in western BC, bought a Pedersoli Whitworth rifle and posted his experience down on the counter. You might care to research his words and photos before you put your >$2000.
To me, having owned two P-H versions, and handled both Italian makers products, it seems that finding a good EuroArms version with a serial between 9000 and 15000 should be your goal - they had Birmingham-proofed P-H barrels. Major Gibbons seems mighty pleased with HIS EuroArms WW. Me, I'm saying no more.
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Before EuroArms production the Italian made Parker-Hale Whitworths were made by Armi San Paolo, later evolving into EuroArms. My ASP made "Franken-Hale" SN 35xxx is dated 1999. The barrel is marked "Parker-Hale London England" while a faint "P-H" is visible on the lock's bridle. "Made in Italy" in small letters is stamped on the trigger guard. After moving from San Paolo to Concesio, ASP became EuroArms in January 2002. YMMV
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Merry Xmas Rudyard . I was Given a PH WW but sold it to Peter Jauqkes how ever its spelt I must have fired it I had three moulds for it inc one Channel Islander, makers Name escapes me ime getting forget full you will know him Ime sure I went off 451s at short range went to 38 one in 18" pitch full match. As rare I got any ranges over 500 yards .One of my" Poor mans full match" Hawkins NZ 451 shot a 98 at Bisley MLA Short range Gordon Gerrade. but the rifle sans sight came up in a Cheshire Auction for the price of the barrel ! ticket job !
.Regards Rudyard
