Pillow Ticking "Shot Cups"

[roundball]

I assume you've already thought of this...unless you have some sort of original gun that you don't want to alter...and since PC is not an issue...the cost of all the range trips and powder/wads/shot/cards for load development testing is way more than paying to have a simple jug choke installed
:wink:

 

[paulvallandigham]

Using .62" caliber for an average 20 gauge bore diameter, a strip that is .9738" wide will cover the entire circumference of the bore( .62 x PI[3.1416] divided by 2 .9738".) For sanity, I am cutting strips at 1". :shocked2: :rotf: There is a bit of overlap, but not as much folding at the bottom as you have with the 1.25" wide strip.

[ 12 gauge(.73 caliber)x 3.1416, divided by 2 = 1.14" Use that 1.25 strip for a 12 gauge. ]

I am not expecting to load more than 1 oz. of shot in my 20 gauge fowler,( altho that may change with testing of different shot sizes). Until I am satisfied with the patterns I get with the shot sizes, and volumes that I use, I am not going to guess at how long the strip of fabric will have to be. From what I have tried I don't expect the column of shot in my barrel to be more than 1 1/2" long, and will probably be closer to 1", so a 4 inch strip should leave me plenty of excess material to stick out of the muzzle for trimming after the shot is poured into the "cup".

Remember to have a Razor-sharp knife for cutting that patch material! :shocked2: :wink:

 

[paulvallandigham]

Oops. Double Post.

 

[BrownBear]

I assume you've already thought of this...unless you have some sort of original gun that you don't want to alter...and since PC is not an issue...the cost of all the range trips and powder/wads/shot/cards for load development testing is way more than paying to have a simple jug choke installed
:wink:

I agree, but ah man. Think of the fun and fooling around we'd miss! :rotf:

In truth, I'm having the most fun simply comparing notes and trying stuff with guys who are actually doing something rather than theorizing and regurgitating stuff they read somewhere.

Call it a long-distance version of a bunch of guys tinkering together in a shop, rather than sitting politely and listening to a lecture from a teacher who's read lots of books but never experienced life. Tinkering with buds is more fun than oughta be legal, but most of us don't have enough friends in the neighborhood for tinkering. I think the web can fill in the blanks for lots of us. Nuff philosophy.

I'm real interested in Swampie's foray into smaller bores because I still haven't given up on finding an easy way to pump a load of shot from a rifled bore now and then. Sure it wouldn't be worth a hoot at long range, but an easy way to form a cup would let me do it now and then without leading the rifling.

More elbow grease and yak from a bunch of guys who like to tinker! :thumbsup:

 

[rabjr]

I know BB is doing this in a cylinder bore to better patterns but Mine just happens to be jug choked full. I'm just doing this so the shot does not touch the inside of the barrel.

 

[rabjr]

The strip I made I just guestimated at. I was concerned with covering the bore everytime but per your findings I will try a thinner strip and see how it is.

 

[Twice boom]

I had you in mind when I did the asking . Maybe it could be away to save an old Gun from being molested. :wink:
Twice.

 

[rabjr]

Come on guys, can we at least have one thread without some ********?

Ok I think I'm set with my Brown Bear gadgit thingy. I'm not sure the size of this shot but I think it's number 4s. The cup holds one oz and 1/4 and I'll leave it at that.

 

[Twice boom]

I don’t know the exact topic on that thread but I do remember part of the discussion.

I’m not too fond of greased anything . So when the weather clears I’m going try the waxed paper idea along with BB’s thingy . I think I can come up with something PC or close to it with out the use of glue while reloading in the field. We’ll see when the weather clears.
Twice

 

[Twice boom]

Come on guys, can we at least have one thread without some ********?

Ok I think I'm set with my Brown Bear gadgit thingy. I'm not sure the size of this shot but I think it's number 4s. The cup holds one oz and 1/4 and I'll leave it at that.

That looks good Swampy. Tell me what happens when you withdraw the thingy out of the barrel. Does all the shot stay in cloth cup or do some spill out.
Thanks

Twice.

 

[Robby]

Swampy, This is really interesting, and I can't wait to see the range results. One concern I am having. With the jug choke, once you start it down the bore, will the shot expand into the jug area with enough pressure as to create a stoppage as more pressure is applied from behind? I wish I wasn't so jammed up with stuff or I'd be doing the same thing, to compare results. Thanks Brown Bear.
Robby

 

[rabjr]

I did not drill this one, my version is for a 20ga and I found the stem to thin to drill so I am using it like Brown Bear but I have to pour shot into the cup and then withdraw it from the barrel and then pour the shot into the patch.

 

[rabjr]

Swampy, This is really interesting, and I can't wait to see the range results. One concern I am having. With the jug choke, once you start it down the bore, will the shot expand into the jug area with enough pressure as to create a stoppage as more pressure is applied from behind? I wish I wasn't so jammed up with stuff or I'd be doing the same thing, to compare results. Thanks Brown Bear.
Robby

I really hadn't thought of that Robby. I don't have my gun yet as it's not built yet so I can't try it out.

:hmm: I wonder, one could measure the jug choke length and make a stem long enough to push the patch beyond it if need be, so theres no interferance. Or I may find the patch idea just don't work with the choke. :idunno: I just may end up using my barrel as a third hand and holding this gagit while I measure shot out. :idunno:

 

[BrownBear]

Boy, I really am curious what happens with this and a jug choke. You may be right on track needing to push it down past the choke. Maybe not, but there's only one way to find out. Anyone tried shooting with jug chokes yet?

 

[BrownBear]

so you are using a strip o cloth ??? right?? yesterday I used a square of Pillow ticking about 2" square...did have some bunching as paul discussed but the Tree Rats didn't notice :wink: Next will come some sessions @ the patterning boards for the fowler,SXS 20 and SXS 12 and the New Englander....My work is never done :rotf:

What was your reaction to the mechanics of field use? Easy or a PITA.

Probably reflecting my fumble fingers, I find it easier than anything else I've tried.

 

[rabjr]

Ok I trimmed the patch from 1 1/4" wide to 1" and I get a sliver of barrel showing on both sides so I think 1 1/8" should be fine for what I will be doing.

This the 1" wide strip.

 

[majg1234]

I found it to be fairly easy and fast with my copper thingy's (course only been shooting the fowler about 3 mos now so i'm still fumbling some),I do need a better way to load the shot though,right now I'm using a soft leather pouch with a modified 45-70 hull to throw my shot charge,{came with the gun}I'm thinking that I can load a Hard cast ball bag with shot and pour it into the copper tubes (remember that each one acts as a measure)Thought about using a powder flask for shot but I think that would be too noisy... bottem line it was waaaay easier than what I'd been doing. any suggestions for a good shot container for this application will be accepted..I have a small squeeze bottle from mayonase to tryout but I would like something more HC/PC just for the heck of it :thumbsup:

 

[Twice boom]

I did not drill this one, my version is for a 20ga and I found the stem to thin to drill so I am using it like Brown Bear but I have to pour shot into the cup and then withdraw it from the barrel and then pour the shot into the patch.

Swampy,just a suggestion. When you get around to making your next one drill it almost to the end ,then turn it.
Twice.

 

[rabjr]

Brown Bears idea is best suited for the 12ga if you make this out of wood. The 20ga ends up with a to thin stem to have a hole in big enough for shot to drop down. If you go that route with the 20ga make it out of metal.

 

[BrownBear]

I found it to be fairly easy and fast with my copper thingy's (course only been shooting the fowler about 3 mos now so i'm still fumbling some),I do need a better way to load the shot though,right now I'm using a soft leather pouch with a modified 45-70 hull to throw my shot charge,{came with the gun}I'm thinking that I can load a Hard cast ball bag with shot and pour it into the copper tubes (remember that each one acts as a measure)Thought about using a powder flask for shot but I think that would be too noisy... bottem line it was waaaay easier than what I'd been doing. any suggestions for a good shot container for this application will be accepted..I have a small squeeze bottle from mayonase to tryout but I would like something more HC/PC just for the heck of it :thumbsup:

Okay now, keep your hands out of my shooting bag! :rotf:

It's funny to me, but it sounds like you and I are walking right down the same path. Soft shot flasks are a PITA. I tried my copper powder flask before ever getting around to making the doohicky, and though the tube was great for seating the patch, the hole into the flask was too small. Even #6 shot bridged bad.

Next I tried the rigid leather ball bag I use for 62 cal balls. That worked great, but in combo with the shape, the "neck" was a little short for convenient pouring. I finally made the one in the original set of photos with a little bit of a wooden neck. It's from the same dowel in fact that I carved the doohicky from.

Doohicky.... Say, I don't recall who used that name back up in the thread somewhere, but it's starting to stick in my mind. Lots better than starter, funnel, or whatever.

I like it! :rotf: