Pyrodex P?
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Hey Benny8,
I have actually tried Pyrodex P, as well as other substitute powders in different flintlocks. If you use a substitute powder for the main charge and prime, it might work maybe ten to twenty percent of the time and even then you will have a long hang fire. So, don’t waste your time and money. You will only end up frustrated.
I have found through trial and error that short cuts should not be taken with flintlocks. Real black powder can be ordered on line. Go ahead and get some real 2f or 3f. It will be worth it. Use the tried and true methods and you’ll find that nothing else compares to flintlocks.
Banjoman
I have actually tried Pyrodex P, as well as other substitute powders in different flintlocks. If you use a substitute powder for the main charge and prime, it might work maybe ten to twenty percent of the time and even then you will have a long hang fire. So, don’t waste your time and money. You will only end up frustrated.
I have found through trial and error that short cuts should not be taken with flintlocks. Real black powder can be ordered on line. Go ahead and get some real 2f or 3f. It will be worth it. Use the tried and true methods and you’ll find that nothing else compares to flintlocks.
Banjoman
Thanks guys. Has anyone tried ordering Black Powder on line recently? The only place I found it required a 5 lb minimum order and shipping is $70. I will check around locally first. Does $37/lb including shipping seem high? I'm not sure as I haven't purchased black powder in a long time.
If you have some real black you can put 5-10 grains under the pyrodex but you are better off with real black in the pan. Works for me for many years.
Been using Pyrodex for near 30 years same reason, availability. You have to clean asap just as you would any other black or substitute.
Been using Pyrodex for near 30 years same reason, availability. You have to clean asap just as you would any other black or substitute.
@Benny8, the substitute powders really offer little else than hangfires if they ignite at all in a flint lock. Tripple Se7en seems to be the best of the substitute powders. I'm not sure of the cost of Triple Se7en, but I think it will be close to the $37 a pound of having to pay the shipping cost and hazardous material fee for Black Powder.
Have you tried the Maine Powder House? They may be close enough to justify a road trip.
They are showing some real black powder on their website.
https://mainepowderhouse.com/product-category/black-powder/
Have you tried the Maine Powder House? They may be close enough to justify a road trip.
They are showing some real black powder on their website.
https://mainepowderhouse.com/product-category/black-powder/
If I bought 2fg for my load and 3fg for priming, would that work?
Yep
hanshi
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Yes it would.
Trapper Scott
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That sounds about right according to what I have been finding online, if you can find a dealer that actually has some in stock. The dealers are few and far between.
JohnnieT
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There was a time when I used substitute powders almost exclusively. My problem with them wasn’t ignition or reliable, but cost. During the panic, I saw the price of Pyrodex rise at one point to almost $30 a can locally. For that price, I wasn’t saving anything over the cost of regular Goex. The price may have come down some, but I’ve continued to buy Goex simply because it gives me an excuse to drive up to Dixie Gun Works once in a while. For what it’s worth, I did try shooting Pyrodex from a flintlock with a BP priming charge. It worked, but ignition was noticeably slower and I just wasn’t keen on keeping up with both BP and a substitute.
if you are on a budget and only need one can i would just buy one powder for both priming and main charge. my 54 flint i shoot 2F in charge and prime, it goes off like lightning,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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I ordered 10 pounds of Shutsen from Graf & Sons about 4 months ago. IIRC it was around $120 for the order. I split the order with a friend
Walkingeagle
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I would personally choose 3fg for main and prime charges.
Walk
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The real issue was not choosing which one, it was a 5 lb minimum order when they only had 1 lb of fffg. I was told that the fffg doesn't draw moisture, so I figured that would be a good prime charge for hunting. Nonetheless, I was able to find fffg locally.
5 lbs as of yesterday was $117 plus $70 shipping
Last time I saw Triple Seven at Cabelas it was $40. A pound. My club sells black powdeer. Swiss is around 28. A pound. And Schulzin is 21. A pound. However they don’t ship. Local pu only.
KTP in ME usually has BP call before driving there.
one time I put a flintlock in a led sled using P pyrodex for the pan and the load. using a stopwatch I was standing with the rifle locked in. pulled the trigger got a good spark then started the stopwatch. the charge finally went off at 42 minutes and 12 seconds. talk about a hang fire. 
