Remington cylinder pin

[Jim in Wisconsin]

The pin on my old 44 is worn, pitted, and has a little gas cutting groove in it. It is an old 1960's Navy Arms Uberti. I see Dixie has Pietta pins, but not Uberti. Does anyone know what the difference between them is and if the Pietta pin will work? My pin is (or was) 7mm - about .275''
thanks for any info

 

[Stantheman86]

I wouldn't roll the dice on a Pietta pin because a new Uberti pin might not even fit an older gun . New Uberti parts barely fit new Uberti guns from my frustrated experience but luckily a cylinder pin isn't really a fitted part

An Ebay seller has a new Uberti 1858 cylinder pin right now for 55 bucks

 

[Jim in Wisconsin]

If I call Dixie they will probably say they don't know if it will fit. If it was too big in diameter I could turn it down (I think having a real smooth finish would be important). With my luck it would turn out to be too small.

 

[FishDFly]

Call Taylor's and ask for the Gunsmith, he will help you.

 

[Rfp10000]

I’ve had good luck with Pietta stuff here as I recall…
https://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/Pietta-Black-Powder-Parts-c505.htm

 

[TDM]

If you have access to a good machine shop or have a buddy that knows how to use a metal lathe you can have a new one turned to match your old one. Minus the cuts.

 

[Jim in Wisconsin]

I have a small South Bend lathe and a mill/drill machine, so I could make one. Buying one is easier though! it should be made in one piece and would be a bit of a project.
Does anyone know if Pietta also has a 7mm shaft size?

 

[M. De Land]

I have a small South Bend lathe and a mill/drill machine, so I could make one. Buying one is easier though! it should be made in one piece and would be a bit of a project.
Does anyone know if Pietta also has a 7mm shaft size?

What about Belt Mt. base pins ? If it were me I'd lap the base pin hole in the cylinder then turn and heat treat one to fit precisely . Probably need to be heat treated first then ground to fit the cylinder hole for finest fit.

 

[Pete453]

VTI GUN PARTS. Won't be 55 bux either. Maybe contact them and they will be able to help. Also, Taylor's would be my second stop.

 

[Nameless Hunter]

I have a small South Bend lathe and a mill/drill machine, so I could make one. Buying one is easier though! it should be made in one piece and would be a bit of a project.
Does anyone know if Pietta also has a 7mm shaft size?

Mine measures right at 0.2735.
7mm is about 0.2756, so... about 0.002" under 7mm.

 

[Jim in Wisconsin]

Thanks Nameless, that sounds like the Pietta would "fit" and work, but would probably be somewhat loose. If I'm trying to make everything more precise, I suppose I'll have to make my own.
I'm thinking of drilling a small hole -1/16 or so - into the back end far enough to reach the flat area and then another small hole in the flat part to connect them. With the hammer drawn back, I think I could dribble some light oil in there if the cylinder starts to turn hard. If it works out, I can make millions of them and get rich. Or maybe not.

 

[Nameless Hunter]

Thanks Nameless, that sounds like the Pietta would "fit" and work, but would probably be somewhat loose. If I'm trying to make everything more precise, I suppose I'll have to make my own.
I'm thinking of drilling a small hole -1/16 or so - into the back end far enough to reach the flat area and then another small hole in the flat part to connect them. With the hammer drawn back, I think I could dribble some light oil in there if the cylinder starts to turn hard. If it works out, I can make millions of them and get rich. Or maybe not.

You might want to measure your pin. I often find that the actual dimension isn't alwas as precise as the stated dimension. I.e., 7mm isn't always "exactly" 7mm. 0.002" under is still a fairly tight fit.

 

[Jim in Wisconsin]

7mm is the "nominal size" - my worn pin is .272/.273 and somewhat rough. The hole in the cylinder is .277 - also somewhat worn and rough. I'll have to try to hone the bore to smooth it out and make a new pin to fit.
Making a pin out of flat stock means a bunch of band sawing, and making one out of round stock means a bunch of turning. Making it two piece and pressing them together would be easier, but not really the right way. Too bad Pietta didn't make theirs a little bigger in diameter.
I'm sure putting this much effort into this old gun isn't sensible, but I've had it too long to give up on it.

 

[Nameless Hunter]

 

[ZUG]

7mm is the "nominal size" - my worn pin is .272/.273 and somewhat rough. The hole in the cylinder is .277 - also somewhat worn and rough. I'll have to try to hone the bore to smooth it out and make a new pin to fit.
Making a pin out of flat stock means a bunch of band sawing, and making one out of round stock means a bunch of turning. Making it two piece and pressing them together would be easier, but not really the right way. Too bad Pietta didn't make theirs a little bigger in diameter.
I'm sure putting this much effort into this old gun isn't sensible, but I've had it too long to give up on it.

My GOD do you really think of using flat stock to turn into round stock is a SMART way to make a base pin? Go to McMaster-Carr and buy a piece of 7mm drill rod and use your lathe to trim it to length and any other details needed - why make it difficult?

 

[Jim in Wisconsin]

Well, I never said I was smart. If you look at a Remington cylinder pin you will see that it has a flat tee shaped head on it. Using a 7mm round shaft wouldn't do much good for that. Also, as I said above, the hole in the cylinder is worn and needs honing/reaming and a pin has to be made to fit the new diameter- which is bigger than 7mm. Turning a square piece into a round piece is the least of the project.
I have a new part mostly done now, but the cylinder is still tight in the middle.
These could be made in two parts, shaft and head, then join them. That's not how Remington did it and I don't want to do that.

 

[Nameless Hunter]

My GOD do you really think of using flat stock to turn into round stock is a SMART way to make a base pin? Go to McMaster-Carr and buy a piece of 7mm drill rod and use your lathe to trim it to length and any other details needed - why make it difficult?

How would you add the tee on the end of the cylinder pin to a 7mm drill rod? Only method I can think of is find someone who's really good at TIG welding - after you find a machinist to make the end piece, and machine the flat section on the drill rod.

 

[Bad Karma]

Well, I never said I was smart. If you look at a Remington cylinder pin you will see that it has a flat tee shaped head on it. Using a 7mm round shaft wouldn't do much good for that. Also, as I said above, the hole in the cylinder is worn and needs honing/reaming and a pin has to be made to fit the new diameter- which is bigger than 7mm. Turning a square piece into a round piece is the least of the project.
I have a new part mostly done now, but the cylinder is still tight in the middle.
These could be made in two parts, shaft and head, then join them. That's not how Remington did it and I don't want to do that.

While you’re at it you could add a bushing a la Colts SAA and th old Remington will really run..

 

[TDM]

@Bad Karma where does the bushing go? I’m not familiar.

 

[Bad Karma]

@Bad Karma where does the bushing go? I’m not familiar.

Theres no way to use a full length colt style bushing but if the op were to turn a recess in the front of the cylinder and then turn an interference fit bushing he could pull it off. He’d also have to mill a bit of the frame beneath the barrel extension.