I agree with you that this is deferitial treatment. Im suprised she even could hit the wall. the guns that the cops use around here dont have a safty but they have a 14 lb trigger pull. We at our range wont even let the police use our range 1 because our insurance wont alow it ( to many acsidents with the police), and 2 they leaft a heck of a mess the last time they did use it.Just my 2 cents Fisher king. :v
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RedFeather
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Not a firearm but...
When I was a kid my friend got a new Daisy pump bb gun. We decided to do some shooting in his backyard. I noticed one of those cheaper lever Daisy's in the corner and said let's take them both, to which he replied "Aw, that one doesn't work anymore. Here, I'll show you, shoot me with it." Being conservative, I said let's try the wall. Cocked it, pulled the trigger and Poof! a nice little cloud of cinder block dust and a hole to match it. Said "Can I shoot you now?" :haha: He just said "Let's go out back."
Hadn't thought of that in a long time, but you cinderblock made me think of it.
As they say, more people have been killed by empty guns.
BTW, some of the worst drivers I've seen have been cops. A lot of "Do as I say and not as I do".
When I was a kid my friend got a new Daisy pump bb gun. We decided to do some shooting in his backyard. I noticed one of those cheaper lever Daisy's in the corner and said let's take them both, to which he replied "Aw, that one doesn't work anymore. Here, I'll show you, shoot me with it." Being conservative, I said let's try the wall. Cocked it, pulled the trigger and Poof! a nice little cloud of cinder block dust and a hole to match it. Said "Can I shoot you now?" :haha: He just said "Let's go out back."
Hadn't thought of that in a long time, but you cinderblock made me think of it.
As they say, more people have been killed by empty guns.
BTW, some of the worst drivers I've seen have been cops. A lot of "Do as I say and not as I do".
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Most police officers hired today are college grads with degrees in social work, or sociology or psychology, who could not find a job. They stay with the cops because it pays better, while they either get a Master's degree, or a degree in another field, and then move on. Most have never fired a gun before attending the police academy. Most will never have any interest in the shooting sports for recreation, and most will not know anything about guns except the one they carry or were trained with. And, they don't want to know.
We all know that firearm safety is a function of habit, and habits are a function of lots of nagging, mostly by parents, until you get it right, and it becomes an unconscious action you take. If Police officers were trained the same way that race drivers, and body guards are trained to drive cars, they would be among the very best drivers. In most cases, the training the are given amounts to little more than driver's ed in high school. More emphasis is given to how to activate the lights, siren, and use the on board computers to write traffic tickets, than learning how to drive properly under emergency conditions.
With firearms, the recruits are given more hours on the range, and more ammo to shoot than 50 years ago, because it takes them so much longer to be able to shoot a qualifying score. When I was a kid, you qualified with a handgun from 7 to 50 yds. Now, it is 3 to 15 yds. Almost any recreational shooter can shoot better than most of the recruits.
If the police want to use your range, don't turn them away so quickly. Simply insist that your members will serve as Master Range officers, who will oversee the police range officers to make sure that the range is not trashed, and accidental discharges do not happen. You can refuse to allow them to use (full)automatic weapons on your range, for instance. You have a right to insist on certain conditions to keep your range neighbors happy. Its one thing to live next to a live range firing semi-auto firearms all day. Its quite another to hear a full auto rip off a string of shots. That is also how most Baffles are shot up. Baffles overhead, are used to keep bullets from being fired over the backstop. You range officer can insist that police officers abandone the " Andy Device( Jingles ) " method of raising the barrel vertical to cock the hammer, and then throw the barrel down towards the target. Either motion is dangerous, and account for why holes show up in the roofs of firing lines. \
I believe that if your Club range officers are there to lay down the rules, and police the cops, they will have a better time, will learn something, and you will make some fine friends for the club. It never hurts to know cops from the shooting range.
We all know that firearm safety is a function of habit, and habits are a function of lots of nagging, mostly by parents, until you get it right, and it becomes an unconscious action you take. If Police officers were trained the same way that race drivers, and body guards are trained to drive cars, they would be among the very best drivers. In most cases, the training the are given amounts to little more than driver's ed in high school. More emphasis is given to how to activate the lights, siren, and use the on board computers to write traffic tickets, than learning how to drive properly under emergency conditions.
With firearms, the recruits are given more hours on the range, and more ammo to shoot than 50 years ago, because it takes them so much longer to be able to shoot a qualifying score. When I was a kid, you qualified with a handgun from 7 to 50 yds. Now, it is 3 to 15 yds. Almost any recreational shooter can shoot better than most of the recruits.
If the police want to use your range, don't turn them away so quickly. Simply insist that your members will serve as Master Range officers, who will oversee the police range officers to make sure that the range is not trashed, and accidental discharges do not happen. You can refuse to allow them to use (full)automatic weapons on your range, for instance. You have a right to insist on certain conditions to keep your range neighbors happy. Its one thing to live next to a live range firing semi-auto firearms all day. Its quite another to hear a full auto rip off a string of shots. That is also how most Baffles are shot up. Baffles overhead, are used to keep bullets from being fired over the backstop. You range officer can insist that police officers abandone the " Andy Device( Jingles ) " method of raising the barrel vertical to cock the hammer, and then throw the barrel down towards the target. Either motion is dangerous, and account for why holes show up in the roofs of firing lines. \
I believe that if your Club range officers are there to lay down the rules, and police the cops, they will have a better time, will learn something, and you will make some fine friends for the club. It never hurts to know cops from the shooting range.
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I heard a couple shots outside my house one evening.
Went out to investigate and found a still writhing 8 point buck that had been first hit by a car then shot a couple times by a PO. It took 6 more shots to put the animal down, maybe part of their training should include anatomy and phisiology.
Went out to investigate and found a still writhing 8 point buck that had been first hit by a car then shot a couple times by a PO. It took 6 more shots to put the animal down, maybe part of their training should include anatomy and phisiology.
a few years ago a deer jumped off the bank across the road in front of my house ,,,broke its legs ...state cop arived....had to empty his revolver into it at point blank....think he could hit a moving convict ?...... :snore: :snore: :snore:
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paulvallandigham said:
I believe that is a matter of opinion and not fact. The police officers I know and have come in contact with are not all college grads killing time. Many are of the blue collar ilk and others are career officers. If you think that the majority hold degrees in social studies, just take a trip to Washington, DC, where, if you can breathe in and out, you're on the force.
The general belief seems to be that the advent of semi-auto sidearms has led to a loss of marksmanship proficiency in police departments. I have read many comments by noted gun writers that police who trained with a six shot revolver took greater care in making their shots count than those that have adopted the spray-n-pray mentality.
As to cops using our range, they are welcome to if they are members or occasional guests. The force here has a couple of ranges, and many officers belong to private ones, as well.
Two officers in my family, one more son of my closest friend. All three grew up in hunting/shooting families and are thoroly conversant with firearms, including muzzleloaders. Two are college graduates, one a comm. coll grad. All chose the work over other options out of a commitment to serve and protect, and because it beats a desk or a cubicle in their opinion. Not all PO's are a--holes. I honor their commitment, good smoke, ron in FL
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Hi FK
Just finished my restricted arms safety course so now I'm a "know it all" :grin: The 14 lb trigger pull on the police revolvers is standard on a double action revolver. Those revolvers do have an internal safety called a hammer disconnect safety.Some of them do have an external hammer block safety also but not usually on the newer ones.
Like most of the other commentors on the topic of the police officer in NS who only got a slap on the wrist for blatant mis-use of her weapon due to a fit of anger, I am pretty po'd. This woman got a slap on the wrist and put back on the job with a loaded firearm after demonstrating that she doesn't have the mind set to deal calmly with stress. I have had to jump through hoops and pay out good bucks to so the gvt can protect society from me when I want to do a bit of BP shooting. It sure grinds my a*** sometimes
Just finished my restricted arms safety course so now I'm a "know it all" :grin: The 14 lb trigger pull on the police revolvers is standard on a double action revolver. Those revolvers do have an internal safety called a hammer disconnect safety.Some of them do have an external hammer block safety also but not usually on the newer ones.
Like most of the other commentors on the topic of the police officer in NS who only got a slap on the wrist for blatant mis-use of her weapon due to a fit of anger, I am pretty po'd. This woman got a slap on the wrist and put back on the job with a loaded firearm after demonstrating that she doesn't have the mind set to deal calmly with stress. I have had to jump through hoops and pay out good bucks to so the gvt can protect society from me when I want to do a bit of BP shooting. It sure grinds my a*** sometimes
Hay welcome to the forum. The guns the cops use in Ontatio are simy auto and they have no safety. I worked Secuity for a few bars around here and got to talking to a lot of the police ,they use the Berreta.40 here any ways. I think in Nova Scotia they don't have Provintial Police but use the Mounties. Here we have the OPP Ontario Provintial Police. Regards Fisher King. P.S. the howps you have to jump through to get your resricted lic. Its a good thing that a family friend a Phyciatrist singed off on mine If he thought I was sane Enough for Handguns than they shure should. :thumbsup: :hatsoff:
