Rust in barrel

[Appalachian Harry]

Hello everyone! I apologize for all the posts but have a question. I have probably cleaned my smoothbore barrel a number of different times and would always find some rust (brown stuff) on patches. Today I cleaned it very well and used some rubbing alcohol to dry it and followed that with some dry patches and then followed that with a pure ballistol patch. And had it lean against wall with muzzle down.

I looked through it with my bore scope a couple days later and still found some rust in the bore. Especially near the breech with the pitting.

It seems like no matter what I do. There will always be some rust in the bore. Is this normal? What am I doing wrong? An suggestions? I just don’t know what to do now.

 

[deerstalkert]

when you get an answer pass it on to me. i have the same "problem?". bugs me no end.

 

[Robby]

I don't know "the" answer to your problem Harry, but I would try mixing up a thick paste of baking soda and water and clean it out real good with that and dry it well. It might be that your water is a bit acidic. Worth a try.
Robby

 

[Kansas Kid]

Are you using Dawn soap to clean with?

 

[Appalachian Harry]

Are you using Dawn soap to clean with?

I am not and have thought about that too. I assume you do and why?

 

[Britsmoothy]

Feel like I'm just writing to myself again but here goes.
Get some cold water and tip it on some salt.
Now watch how long it takes to disolve the salt. Make plenty coffee, it'll take a while!

Now get some near boiling water and tip some on salt and observe how quick the salt is dissolved. No coffee needed.

Now get the world's most expensive gun oil or worse still WD-40 and put that on some salt.
Now observe absolutely nothing happen to the salt what so ever!

Your barrel has salt corrosion. Not plain iron oxidisation. Corrosion from the salts produced upon combustion of black powder.

The only thing that dissolves salts readily is hot water. The only thing that can readily absorb or carry salt and form a barrier between iron and atmpheric moisture content is animal or vegetable fats and oils.
It's up to you but until you adopt this practice your just gonna go around and around and around and still have visible evidence of corrosion!
Good luck.

 

[rich pierce]

Day after you clean it run a couple more patches. Then an oily patch.

 

[Appalachian Harry]

Feel like I'm just writing to myself again but here goes.
Get some cold water and tip it on some salt.
Now watch how long it takes to disolve the salt. Make plenty coffee, it'll take a while!

Now get some near boiling water and tip some on salt and observe how quick the salt is dissolved. No coffee needed.

Now get the world's most expensive gun oil or worse still WD-40 and put that on some salt.
Now observe absolutely nothing happen to the salt what so ever!

Your barrel has salt corrosion. Not plain iron oxidisation. Corrosion from the salts produced upon combustion of black powder.

The only thing that dissolves salts readily is hot water. The only thing that can readily absorb or carry salt and form a barrier between iron and atmpheric moisture content is animal or vegetable fats and oils.
It's up to you but until you adopt this practice your just gonna go around and around and around and still have visible evidence of corrosion!
Good luck.

Thank you so much! Best explanation of something I’ve seen on the forum. I am a visual learner and makes perfect sense to me.


Also quick question. Ever have problem with flash rust? I’ve seen some people say different things about boiling water being bad or good.

 

[Britsmoothy]

Thank you so much! Best explanation of something I’ve seen on the forum. I am a visual learner and makes perfect sense to me.


Also quick question. Ever have problem with flash rust? I’ve seen some people say different things about boiling water being bad or good.

So called flash rust is nothing. It is a very thin layer of oxidisation. Way better than salt induced corrosion. And easily stopped with a wax or grease made from animal or vegetable.
You can always use some steel wool to polish the bore before using the above lube.

 

[Kansas Kid]

I am not and have thought about that too. I assume you do and why?

Mainly curious. I do most of the time because that’s what I wash dishes with and it’s there.
I worked my whole life in aircraft maintenance for the military and corrosion control was not taken lightly. Only cleaning supplies that were on the (QPL) Qualified Product Listing were to be used as they we tested against producing corrosion and damage after the fact. So just some food for thought.

 

[Heyyou48307]

Ive always used natural oil, neatsfoot, olive, even bear and beef, no problems, I like to run a patch down about once a month even when im not shooting

 

[Kansas Kid]

Another log for the fire. The widely hated wonder lube 1000 is advertised as all natural lube and bore protectant. Pretty much all bores have some degree of roughness and getting all the fouling out is not equal across the board. Some good points made on dissolving salts and checking for corrosion periodically have been made.

 

[Britsmoothy]

Another log for the fire. The widely hated wonder lube 1000 is advertised as all natural lube and bore protectant. Pretty much all bores have some degree of roughness and getting all the fouling out is not equal across the board. Some good points made on dissolving salts and checking for corrosion periodically have , it can absorb salttbeen made.

Wonder lube isn't all it is spouted about.
It is not of animal or vegetable origin.
It can be argued It is natural as it's origin is out of the ground however it won't absorb salts.
As way of a guide, if you can cook with it or fry and eat it, it can absorb salt.

 

[user 49399]

Feel like I'm just writing to myself again but here goes.
Get some cold water and tip it on some salt.
Now watch how long it takes to disolve the salt. Make plenty coffee, it'll take a while!

Now get some near boiling water and tip some on salt and observe how quick the salt is dissolved. No coffee needed.

Now get the world's most expensive gun oil or worse still WD-40 and put that on some salt.
Now observe absolutely nothing happen to the salt what so ever!

Your barrel has salt corrosion. Not plain iron oxidisation. Corrosion from the salts produced upon combustion of black powder.

The only thing that dissolves salts readily is hot water. The only thing that can readily absorb or carry salt and form a barrier between iron and atmpheric moisture content is animal or vegetable fats and oils.
It's up to you but until you adopt this practice your just gonna go around and around and around and still have visible evidence of corrosion!
Good luck.

He ain’t lying. I’ve used this method and it works for me.

 

[Robby]

Is there a legal definition for "all natural"? From what I have seen, since that term became trendy with advertiser's is that it came from planet earth.
Robby

 

[hanshi]

What do you use for lube? The bore butter type lubes can be persistent in the bore showing a brownish stain when patched out. Also there are times here and there when you just get that stain come He#& or high water. I get baffled sometimes.

 

[Appalachian Harry]

What do you use for lube? The bore butter type lubes can be persistent in the bore showing a brownish stain when patched out. Also there are times here and there when you just get that stain come He#& or high water. I get baffled sometimes.

I use bear grease/beeswax right now

 

[Britsmoothy]

Some fats and oils naturally change colour when air gets to it.
Don't worry about it. The corrosion is arrested.

 

[Kansas Kid]

Been using hoppes 9 plus in rifled barrels the last few years. Used the wonder lubes for years before that with no horror stories to tell but I did not follow their directions and just used it like other lubes and cleaned and oiled afterwards. Always used olive oil on smooth bores. Then used a modern petroleum product like Triflow/Breakfree or ATF for storage. Wipe with Alcohol or Lacquer thinner before shooting. Can’t forget Chrisco for revolvers.

 

[LME]

Is there a legal definition for "all natural"? From what I have seen, since that term became trendy with advertiser's is that it came from planet earth.
Robby

Unless I was taught wrong ? "You can't make nor destroy matter".