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The dreaded clean bore shot

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Have you tried firing a squib load, then wiping with a spit patch before your first shot?? I know you said you didn't want to dirty your barrel first, but why not try it to see the results?
 
Have you tried firing a squib load, then wiping with a spit patch before your first shot?? I know you said you didn't want to dirty your barrel first, but why not try it to see the results?
Yes, and if I fire a squib load then everything groups up just fine.
 
I had the same problem could not hold a group with .10 patches went to .15 patch and first shot was a flier next shots tightened up so I went to .18 patch and first shot is on the mark but it does make following shots harder to load without wiping. none of these patches are greased up real heavy. I used G96 on the heavy ones just enough to make them discolored.
 
Yes, sighting in for a clean barrel just requires cleaning the barrel a bit between shots. You don't clean the whole gun as if you are....wait for it...cleaning it. I use several patches, I want to get all the black fouling out, that will replicate a clean bore, and give the barrel time to cool down. Then dry the bore good. I use a drop tube to load the powder in, just in case the bore should be slightly damp, and some powder stick to it. Then load normally. Very simple. Chicken blood helps, but requires a live chicken, as I don't know where to buy chicken blood by the pint. (I don't doubt that somewhere, somebody sells chicken blood)

With my rifles, the deviation between clean and fouled shots isn't as drastic as that shown in the OP's pic. Also, I expect any second shot I take at game will be at very close range, as in an animal down but not dead, in which case a one or two inch deviation won't matter much.
 
The chicken has to be alive, you can't bottle its blood.

Ideally you jump up and down while whilst circling the afflicted item just like the African pygmy people's the Werrthefecarrwees of the tall grass lands chanting werrthefecarrwee, werrthefecarrwee, werrthefecarrwee.
The result is usually a positive one and helps to focus the positive energy on the problem :thumb:
 
USUALLY THE "CLEAN BORE SHOT" ISN'T THAT FAR OFF POINT OF AIM.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FIRE A BALL-LESS FOULING SHOT TO PRE FOUL THEN WIPE THE BARREL.DROP ABOUT 30 GRAINS OF POWDER AND A LIT MATCH DOWN THE BARREL AND THEN WIPE.
ADJUSTING YOUR LOAD TO CORRECT THIS PHENOMENON SEEMS BOTH MUCH ADO ABOUT VERY LITTLE AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR ADJUSTMENT WOULD
BE..
I BELIEVE I'M THE CLOWN THAT FIRST POINTED OUT THIS ODD HAPPENING.

IF YOUR CLEAN BORE SHOT IS CONSISTENTLY OFF CENTER THE SAME AMOUNT, YOU MIGHT TRY AIMING A FEW INCHES TO THE RIGHT.

DUTCH SCHOULTZ


One thing I have yet to noodle out is how to deal with the clean bore shot. I'm hoping for some kind of solution or sage advice that doesn't involve me having to foul the bore (or leave it fouled) before I can trust where my first shot is gonna go. I've read that this can be overcome by adjusting my load?

This target was fired from a Pedersoli .50 Blue Ridge at 30 yards. Any advice appreciated and thanks in advance.
 
Thanks everyone for the input and taking the time to reply. Wasn't there recently a kerfuffle at a match event of some kind where the competitors were not allowed to do a fouling shot before scoring began?
 
Thanks everyone for the input and taking the time to reply. Wasn't there recently a kerfuffle at a match event of some kind where the competitors were not allowed to do a fouling shot before scoring began?

I have shot (and won) matches where you weren't allowed to take a fouling shot. In fact there was no practicing allowed the day of competition.

Never seen any arguments.
 
I have shot (and won) matches where you weren't allowed to take a fouling shot. In fact there was no practicing allowed the day of competition.

Never seen any arguments.
I could swear I read about it and recently, too. There was lots of grumbling or at least it was conveyed that way. Maybe someone else knows what I'm talking about because I sure don't.

Congrats on winning. I used to compete but never in any ML events. Never been to one in fact but that's gonna change next year. I've been bitten by the bug.
 
Before shooting (or hunting) I wipe the bore with isopropyl (91%) alcohol to remove any oil and then run a lubed patch on a jag down and up a few times. Then load.

Seems to get my first shot on. Your results may vary.
 
Try a tighter patch with light lube for the first shot in a clean barrel. The tighter the better. You can change to a thinner patch for follow up shots. Works for me.
 
This thread is quite interesting. Because, you see, I don't have the "first shot" problem. I'm not boasting, just intrigued by the subject. Maybe it's because I load tight and that's what helps. I never wipe the bore unless it develops a rare fouling issue. All the posts are interesting, informative or funny.
 
This thread is quite interesting. Because, you see, I don't have the "first shot" problem. .

Me either, but I use to run into guys that had that problem a lot with center fire rifles. I've never had that problem with them either.

Sometimes I wonder if it's not the shooter having first shot jitters.
 
Me either, but I use to run into guys that had that problem a lot with center fire rifles. I've never had that problem with them either.

Sometimes I wonder if it's not the shooter having first shot jitters.
In all honesty I have seen this with centerfires too but not mine!
I am convinced that the variables that contribute to this are nearly as infinate as the universe!
However, in saying that the most common connection is that the first shot is from a squeaky clean barrel! I emphasise squeaky !!
A friend of mine use to clean his 270 with a concoction of chemicals that I am sure it aided all my hair falling out!
His first shot was always off by a huge 3/4"! I on the other hand never fussed that hard, just prevented rust. I never had a first shot out of group or off zero.
I also don't get panicky about my muzzleloaders. Yes, the salts are all dissolved with water but should I insert a white patch it will come out brown or black but not wet from water, wet from my patch lube that was applied to the warm barrel. In other words my barrel is already fowled to some extent just no corrosive elements are present.

I don't believe the frontiers men cleaned their guns as many do today. They were shot every day nearly and a thorough clean every day would just not be practice. They knew that animal fats would protect perfectly fine the bore and outside of their guns. They had so many chores that salts were the last thing on their minds! Why one of the reasons a gun was kept over the fireplace was to keep it dry, why? Because without water the corrosive salts are harmless, my own findings are I can bring a damp fouled gun in the house and place it by the fireside so it dries out and for days the gun suffers no harm!
There is so much emphasis these days on corrosion, rust, damage etc that it's almost become an invisible torture stake that many drag around, I did too until recently!

B.
 
My procedure on a range is wipe out the barrel of protecting lube with a couple of dry patches. Shoot 1st shot, swab with "bore cleaning patch", swab with dry patch, Reload shoot again, rinse repeat. My Pedersoli 50 will 1.5 inch groups at 50 yds.

Hunting, the first one counts, I use the same procedure before the first shot range or field. Consistent shots require consistent loading/shooting methods shot to shot.
 
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