The end of black powder?

[mykeal]

One of the NMLRA LA field reps lives just 20 miles south of you in Jonesboro.

Go to www.nmlra.org and click on field representatives in the left hand column. Then select Louisiana and you'll find his contact information.

 

[squirrellluck]

You've got to be kidding! Thanks, I'll be getting in tough with them this week :hatsoff:

 

[Tinker2]

At the local gun shop I offered to buy them the powder magazine and license
[ tax ] to sell it. They said that they didn’t want the hassle.

If you're willing to buy the license and pay for the magazine why not just set up your own business?

If you really want an answer to that PT me.

Actually, I also would have paid for the first load of powder too.

I am trying to promote the sport where I live. The “I got mine” idea of black powder I do understand.
What I would like to do is bring new people into muzzleoading.


Tinker2

 

What I would like to do is bring new people into muzzleoading.

I say go for it.

Start an organization, magazine, forum, blog, etc. :thumbsup:

 

[Tinker2]

you read Squirrellluck’s posts, I don’t understand how most of the readers could miss the point that, I think, he and I were trying to make.

I think the majority of posters here are.....more experienced in the passing of time. I did not want to say old.

I got this new sport I want you all to try, if you are just starting out in life and things are a little tight money wise, don’t fret, you will have to lay out a bunch of just plain old money to see if you like it. And if you don’t like it, it is against the federal law to dispose of some of it.

Please send all your dirty old unneeded money to me.
What? You don’t have any to spare?

My purpose is not to offend anyone, It is to promote muzzleloading.

Tinker2

 

[zrifleman]

If you read the Ned Roberts book "The Muzzleloading Caplock Rifle", he comments on on the difficulty of shipping BP back at in the early 20th century. I lived in Los Angeles "Kalifornia" and have no problem getting cases of Goex BP from a distributor. With city ordnances, fire laws, and other bureaucracy it's not practical for most small gun shops to stock and sell BP---in other words, no profit even at higher prices. Get used to ordering online and paying hazmat and shipping.

 

[jethro224]

www.grafs.com
$69.95 - 5 pounds Graf Blackpowder at 13.99/lb
$25.00 Hazmat
$4.50 handling/insurance
$0.00 shipping
$99.45 total

Basspro
2 pounds of 777 at 29.99/lb (Pyrodex is $19.99/lb)
$59.98
$9.00 for gas for a average round-trip drive
$$$ tax
Time spent...
You're looking at $20(I.m estimating) less but getting half the powder(another estimate, subs = more volume/lb) and wasting a couple hours... :youcrazy:
Buy one pound and it costs even more per shot.

If you don't have the $100. just save up for a while. You'll be better off in the long run, and probably glad you did. :thumbsup: :v

 

[squirrellluck]

Thank you. I got in contact with him and will be picking up a pound of fffg this weekend :bow: I think that my point was missed somewhat. If I told you I had a widget I wanted you to try that you had never used but to try out said widget you had to buy 50 of them What would your response be? In my case alls well that ends well but what about the next newbie? Hopefully someone will help them find a smaller amount of black to try out like you have me. I guess my point is... "Just go buy a case and quit being cheep!" is not always the best answer. And yes, if I like real black like I think I will I will be ordering it in larger amounts from a reg. supplier. :grin:

 

[jethro224]

I guess my point is... "Just go buy a case and quit being cheep!" is not always the best answer.

In this case it really is tho. :wink:

BTW, a case is 25lb. 5lb = 1/5 case.

I think that my point was missed somewhat. If I told you I had a widget I wanted you to try that you had never used but to try out said widget you had to buy 50 of them What would your response be?

If you told me that you bought a widget that you didn't know much about, but you knew you needed fuel for it, and I offered to sell you 5 pounds of fuel that your widget was specifically designed to run on, would you go spend half the money for 1/4 the amount of a different fuel that usually works most of the time? Would your widget run as well on the substitute fuel? If it didn't would you realize that it could run better with the proper fuel? Wouldn't you rather run your widget twice as long for the money, at full potential, on the proper fuel?

 

[jethro224]

but to try out said widget you had to buy 50 of them What would your response be?

Oh yeah, my response;

If I needed good widgets and it was a time-tested design that had been used for hundreds of years by thousands and thousands of people? I'd buy the case of 50. :thumbsup:

 

[boondocker]

We are fortunate to live within 45 miles of JJ Pyrotechnics, one of the guys does jobs up that way and our last case of Goex was 11.00 pound. J&J is a GOEX distributor.

 

[Dphar]

www.grafs.com
$69.95 - 5 pounds Graf Blackpowder at 13.99/lb
$25.00 Hazmat
$4.50 handling/insurance
$0.00 shipping
$99.45 total

Basspro
2 pounds of 777 at 29.99/lb (Pyrodex is $19.99/lb)
$59.98
$9.00 for gas for a average round-trip drive
$$$ tax
Time spent...
You're looking at $20(I.m estimating) less but getting half the powder(another estimate, subs = more volume/lb) and wasting a couple hours... :youcrazy:
Buy one pound and it costs even more per shot.

If you don't have the $100. just save up for a while. You'll be better off in the long run, and probably glad you did. :thumbsup: :v

You are correct.
Buying 25 pounds my last mixed case of Swiss cost about the same per pound as the Graf demonstrated in your post.

People can EASILY find BP if they buy in bulk. Look to Powder Inc., Coonies, Buffalo Arms, Upper Missouri Trading or look to the Goex site for Distributors.
Pool 3-5 guys and buy a case. Haz-Mat is the same for a case as for a pound. If you have a club in the area finding several guys to chip in should be easy.
Folks need to be a little more proactive and not just lay down and give up and buy substitutes that are generally inferior in all respects to BP.

Dan

 

[bkovire]

or join a club like i did, the more you buy the less it coast i can get 25# at 11$per or 1#at 14$ this fall if things go good this spring-summer i'll be getting my 50# that is for 2f-4f

 

[Little Wattsy]

or join a club like i did, the more you buy the less it coast i can get 25# at 11$per or 1#at 14$ this fall if things go good this spring-summer i'll be getting my 50# that is for 2f-4f

What club did you join to get that price?

 

[J.D.]

I really don't understand the hand wringing over having to order a few pounds of powder. That said, I just restock at Grafs, at $11.50/lb, when I'm up that way. Bwwwwaaaaahhhahaaa

Sorry, I couldn't help myself....OK, so I could, but didn't. :wink:

God bless

 

[arcticap]

Black powder is more authentic but it's also more hazardous. That's the reason why it's classified as an explosive while the substitute powders aren't.
Black powder does present somewhat of a greater risk to use, no matter how slight.
It's just a factor that everyone should always be made aware of. I think that it's great that folks advocate that others should use black powder. But people also need to be fairly and honestly warned about the increased risks to not only themselves but also to others when they chose to use it with them present.

 

[buford87]

I find it riskier to use pyrodex and have hangfires than to use real blackpowder and get instant ignition.......watch yer top knot..................

 

[arcticap]

I'm not referring to hangfires but rather to careless loading procedures and powder handling.
When introducing percussion muzzle loading to young folks and for youth shooting programs in particlar, using a substitute powder is probably the much safer choice from an objective stand point.

 

[jaw69]

Why is that???? If a spark or lit Cig fall in Black Powder(600 deg F or so) or pyrodex (740 deg F or so) they both go BOOM!!!! In all fairness black or pyrodex in a can ,horn, plastic bottle are bombs and must command safe powder handling practices.

 

[arcticap]

Why is that???? If a spark or lit Cig fall in Black Powder(600 deg F or so) or pyrodex (740 deg F or so) they both go BOOM!!!! In all fairness black or pyrodex in a can ,horn, plastic bottle are bombs and must command safe powder handling practices.

The experts all seem to agree that black powder is an explosive which is an indication that it is a comparatively more explosive substance.
An errant spark or lingering ember can simply set black powder off more easily and with more effect.
Every powder requires safe handling practices, but if a child makes a mistake when using black powder then there is even less room for error.
These are basically accepted scientific facts so why debate the classification of black powder as being an explosive compared to the substitute powders which are only classified as flammables? The authorities recognize their differences hence their different classifications.
If the subs. were classified the same and acted as similar as black powder as is asserted then maybe more folks would have less objections to using them? But I don't think that the black powder advocates now want to turn around and say that the subs and BP are that similar or the same.
That would certainly be a switch.