My brother just purchased a new inline, I know we dont' mention it here.. but for descriptive purposes only..I will. Anyhow he asked me to help him sight it in. So he came over and picked me up, I loaded up my rifle, bag and horn in his car and away we went to my Dad and Moms for a day of shooting. Anyhow, I showed him how to load it and showed him how to load mine, I was able to help him out ( cleaning jags, T-handle, spit patches ect.) with virtually everything either made or purchased, in my possibles bag. We got his rifle bench sighted and it shot "OK"...then I shouldered My Jim Bridgers Hawken with a Green Mountain barrel and shot cloverleaf groups offhand at 50 yrds. Shot a pop can at 50 yards.. then shot a Milk Jug with frozen water in it at 80 yards. He was VERY impressed.I then let him have a turn with my rifle and he shot very well with it too, then wanted to buy it off me! He is already talking about selling his ( junk) and buying a Hawkens. I'm not patting myself on the back..just very proud of how my Hawken went toe to toe with a new T/C inline and made it look like a pile of manure.