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Traditions Pennsylvania Flintlock
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https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/rif...tions-pennsylvania-flintlock-rifle-r2090.html
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One of these? http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12459097
I would not own one, let alone pay $700. IT looks terible.
Traditions products are made to a price point and are not a quality rifle, IMHO. The people who design them seem to know nothing about what a ML should look like. The rifles look like they were made by an alien who once saw a fuzzy picture of the original and he is now making it from memory. Every detail of the rifle I linked to is ugly and not made as the originals.
Not sayin' it won't shoot. Just too ugly for me.
The Lyman rifles are reasonable looking and decent build quality.
One of these? http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12459097
I would not own one, let alone pay $700. IT looks terible.
Traditions products are made to a price point and are not a quality rifle, IMHO. The people who design them seem to know nothing about what a ML should look like. The rifles look like they were made by an alien who once saw a fuzzy picture of the original and he is now making it from memory. Every detail of the rifle I linked to is ugly and not made as the originals.
Not sayin' it won't shoot. Just too ugly for me.
The Lyman rifles are reasonable looking and decent build quality.
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Rick Boylan
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A Traditions is what used to be CVA and that used to be Jukar. They are so so rifles and not at all Historically correct. Some here like them and find them to be good shooters. Some curse them and would advise against them.
For the price tag of $700 you can find a good used Pedersoli and you'd be getting a much better made rifle. But that's just my opinion. I bought a Pedersoli .45 Kentucky long rifle off of a guy on GunBroker for $500 used. It's a great gun. While the Pedersoli isn't quite HC, it's more so than the Traditions.
For the price tag of $700 you can find a good used Pedersoli and you'd be getting a much better made rifle. But that's just my opinion. I bought a Pedersoli .45 Kentucky long rifle off of a guy on GunBroker for $500 used. It's a great gun. While the Pedersoli isn't quite HC, it's more so than the Traditions.
For the price they go for... pass, and pass on. A quality rifle that's semi custom can be had for around that price.
While traditions rifles are appealing to some, they are in no way a HC piece and will stick out like a sore thumb.
I do have one traditions rifle that is indeed a shooter. So, if that's you fancy for the rifle by all means you have every right to do as you wish. Personally though, knowing what I know I'd pass without hesitation, quality is lacking and it often lacks in places it shouldn't as the goal is sales margin. For mass production rifles, as mentioned above pedersoli is the ticket.
While traditions rifles are appealing to some, they are in no way a HC piece and will stick out like a sore thumb.
I do have one traditions rifle that is indeed a shooter. So, if that's you fancy for the rifle by all means you have every right to do as you wish. Personally though, knowing what I know I'd pass without hesitation, quality is lacking and it often lacks in places it shouldn't as the goal is sales margin. For mass production rifles, as mentioned above pedersoli is the ticket.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/9007758...-Flintlock-Muzzleloading-Rifle-50-Caliber.htm
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Yes, that is a rebranded CVA. I just GAVE away a CVS kentucky rifle caplock. It was mechanically sad and an aestetic trainwreck. You should be able to get an old usd one for a fraction of that price.
Frankly, lurk at Track of the Wolf. There are lots of hobby and professional builders who sell there. You can get 10X the rifle there, for not much more.
This link may work better.
Yes, that is a rebranded CVA. I just GAVE away a CVS kentucky rifle caplock. It was mechanically sad and an aestetic trainwreck. You should be able to get an old usd one for a fraction of that price.
Frankly, lurk at Track of the Wolf. There are lots of hobby and professional builders who sell there. You can get 10X the rifle there, for not much more.
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I have one. It was my first longrifle. I paid $449 for it back in about 2000. Yes all the brass is inlet. It is a very-heavily decorated rifle and is over-all very heavy itself. I have another longrifle with a 44½" barrel that is about 5" longer than this Traditions and it weighs 2-lbs less.
This is NOT a Rev War era rifle despite Tradition's advertising and most features on this rifle would be found in the Golden Age era (1790-1820 or so).
Biggest problem with this rifle is the Roman Nose stock. Unless you are careful to mount the rifle with your cheek farther back and down a bit on it, it WILL bruise your cheek from that Roman Nose on recoil. The other thing I did to avoid bruising my cheek was to turn my nose in to the stock and sight out of the corner of my eye. That way the recoiling stock slid past my cheek. If you lean your head over it to sight though, you will get a bruised cheek or black eye.
This rifle is a good shooter although mine requires a heavy charge (95-gr. of 3f powder) do so. It's very nose heavy as is typical with straight octagon barrel.
This is a heavy gun because it is made like most production guns with a very heavy forearm, what I refer to as slab-like. You'll notice on it that the wood from the forearm doesn't curve smoothly to meet the barrel but curves up and then heads at 90° into the barrel making about a 1/8" shelf. I would rub the area with beeswax to keep water from pooling up there and leaking under the barrel.
At this price, you would be better off saving another $100 and getting an "in the white" gun from Tip Curtis that will require you to stain and finish the stock, or a couple of hundred dollars more and get something from TVM or a similar builder.
I think this rifle is over-priced now.
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This is NOT a Rev War era rifle despite Tradition's advertising and most features on this rifle would be found in the Golden Age era (1790-1820 or so).
Biggest problem with this rifle is the Roman Nose stock. Unless you are careful to mount the rifle with your cheek farther back and down a bit on it, it WILL bruise your cheek from that Roman Nose on recoil. The other thing I did to avoid bruising my cheek was to turn my nose in to the stock and sight out of the corner of my eye. That way the recoiling stock slid past my cheek. If you lean your head over it to sight though, you will get a bruised cheek or black eye.
This rifle is a good shooter although mine requires a heavy charge (95-gr. of 3f powder) do so. It's very nose heavy as is typical with straight octagon barrel.
This is a heavy gun because it is made like most production guns with a very heavy forearm, what I refer to as slab-like. You'll notice on it that the wood from the forearm doesn't curve smoothly to meet the barrel but curves up and then heads at 90° into the barrel making about a 1/8" shelf. I would rub the area with beeswax to keep water from pooling up there and leaking under the barrel.
At this price, you would be better off saving another $100 and getting an "in the white" gun from Tip Curtis that will require you to stain and finish the stock, or a couple of hundred dollars more and get something from TVM or a similar builder.
I think this rifle is over-priced now.
Twisted_1in66 :thumbsup:
Dan
I have a Jukar, trigger is heavy /was, reworked it some,better.Not PC/HC but does what I want it to do ,shoot holes in things.Good rifle to get the kids into shooting. I was given mine,so I work/transform it to what I like/need.
$700.00 is way to much for this rifle....Lyman GPR is less expensive and a much better investment.
$700.00 is way to much for this rifle....Lyman GPR is less expensive and a much better investment.
Traditions are good introductory guns. Not the best but they get the job done and are better made than they used to be. That said $700 is too much for what you get. For about the same price or a little more you can get a lot better gun. I've kind of wanted a Pennsylvania rifle too but not that much.
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Bingo... biggest mistake made by new individuals.
A well built and quality flinter is not cheap and for good reason. These are hand tuned and hand made works of art that will provide years and years of reliable use. Something that just can't be worked into a production rifle.
Save and invest into a rifle that you'll be proud to own for years to come.
Boy, I have one with a new Colrain 50-cal barrel to put in it ... first $500 takes it ...
I agree with all what twisted 66 said. I have one. It was my 2nd flintlock. Took a LOT of deer with it from the time I got it in the early 90's until I retired it in 2000.
It's an outstanding shooter. I even shot it in a couple matches and was asked it I had a green mtn barrel on it. Guys did not believe the stock barrel shot as good as it did,
I hate the roman nose on it. I have to slide my head back on the stock just to use the sights. Not bad if it's real cold and I have heavy clothing on. But a pain with just a t-shirt. Also, the lock on mine does not fit tight to the barrel. Priming powder would slowly leak out. I just kept an eye on it and checked frequently.
As much as I liked it, there was also just as much that I did not like. I was new and it was cool and worked. Once I got my Early Lanc from TVM, there was no looking back. Still have a lot of good hunting memories with it and still won't part with it, even though I have not shot it in over 15 yrs. Think I paid between $400-500 at the time because I wanted a "PA Longrifle" and not a "Hawken". I would definitely not pay $700-800 they want now. I'd put that money towards something else.
It's an outstanding shooter. I even shot it in a couple matches and was asked it I had a green mtn barrel on it. Guys did not believe the stock barrel shot as good as it did,
I hate the roman nose on it. I have to slide my head back on the stock just to use the sights. Not bad if it's real cold and I have heavy clothing on. But a pain with just a t-shirt. Also, the lock on mine does not fit tight to the barrel. Priming powder would slowly leak out. I just kept an eye on it and checked frequently.
As much as I liked it, there was also just as much that I did not like. I was new and it was cool and worked. Once I got my Early Lanc from TVM, there was no looking back. Still have a lot of good hunting memories with it and still won't part with it, even though I have not shot it in over 15 yrs. Think I paid between $400-500 at the time because I wanted a "PA Longrifle" and not a "Hawken". I would definitely not pay $700-800 they want now. I'd put that money towards something else.
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Got a flinter Traditions Deerhunter that always goes bang. Very reliable. Got it for a hundred. Picked up a wood stock for it for ten. Now it's sort of the muzzleloading equivalent of a Montgomery Wards single shot .22 that won't ever be an Anschutz target rifle. But if I'd wanted an Anschutz I'd a bought one and paid Anschutz prices.
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I have a Jukar flintlock pistol and a CVA Hawken rifle. Both are very good shooters. But I didn't pay much for the pistol and I only paid $250 for the rifle. I'd never pay $700 for either of them, nor a Traditions.
hanshi
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My only Traditions rifle was a Deerhunter percussion, though I also had a kit-built CVA. Those Traditions are very good shooters and about as accurate as any other rifle; their barrels are excellent, by the way. I hunted with my DeerHunter for over 20 years and was very satisfied with it; same goes for the CVA.
But no way are they worth $700. The Traditions flint locks are a "flip-of-the coin". One might work just fine while the next one off the assembly line might be garbage. For $700 you can probably find a fine hand-built rifle that is typical of the late 18th and early 19th century. Tip Curtis and TVM have been mentioned but I'd also recommend checking the classifieds on the forums.
But no way are they worth $700. The Traditions flint locks are a "flip-of-the coin". One might work just fine while the next one off the assembly line might be garbage. For $700 you can probably find a fine hand-built rifle that is typical of the late 18th and early 19th century. Tip Curtis and TVM have been mentioned but I'd also recommend checking the classifieds on the forums.
hanshi
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Sorry, but let me back up, here. I also owned and hunted for many years with a Traditions Crockett .32 rifle. It, however, was percussion. It was admittedly a delightful rifle capable of sub 1" groups at 50 yards. I eventually sold it in order to have a SMR built in flint which is no more accurate than that little Crockett.
And welcome to the forum.
And welcome to the forum.
mikefi said:
I do not have the Traditions Pennsylvania in flint, however I do in percussion. It is okay and does what it is supposed to do. IMHO it is not necessarily the most comfortable M/L to shoot. It seems I have to move my head way back on the stock to get a good site picture? Maybe just me though. I did today however with my M/L club get to shoot a custom built .32 flint with a GM barrel and Siler lock.Built by a experienced M/L builder in my club OMG!!! I want this rifle sooooooooo bad. After shooting it...the Traditions Pennsylvania is like driving a Ford Pinto after having driven a Lamborghini.Now I know what guys on here are talking about when they say invest in a custom built.WORTH IT!! That custom flint pulled up and fit like a glove. So to answer your question...Meh, the Traditions is okay,and does what it should, but for the price I would go with a custom built. Just my very limited 2 cents.
