tvm leman or virginia

[Mr Hawken]

thinking about a tvm leman in a flint .62 i do lot of hiking in mountain type terrain for elk so it has to be easy to pack.any suggestions or pictures are a help thanks

 

[Le Grand]

Have you looked at their website? (www.avsia.com/tvm/) They list their Leman only up to .58 caliber but they might make a .62 for you in flintlock. That's just a guess on my part. Let us know what you find out.

 

[texcl]

the stock shape of the leman would be pretty brutal in .62 I think, I would lean towards the virginia with a large bore and heavy loads, I have a virgina with a c weight .58 and it is pretty light and handy since the barrel is so thin. Swamped barrels are the way to go balance wise, but I think a straight or tapered barrel would be more correct on a leman. I have a good amount of experience in both .62 and .58 and as far as a rifled gun goes I'd give the nod to .58 as a good all around elk size game rifle, you can comfortably make it shoot flat where as you have to feed a .62 lots of powder to make it "flat shooting",which lends to heavy recoil, just my opinion though. I don't know what your hunting ranges are you don't need heavy charges to kill efficiently.

 

[CoyoteJoe]

You're asking about two extremely different stock designs. The Leman has a lot of drop, a narrow hooked butt and a sharp comb. It makes a nice offhand rifle but heavy loads can become pretty uncomfortable. The Virginia, with a broad flat butt and less drop will be more practical in the larger calibers since it will handle recoil better. I also think the Virginia makes a better hunting rifle since it handles more like a shotgun, snaps to the shoulder without having to fit a sharply hooked butt into just the right spot.
For a large caliber, heavy recoiling rifle I'd definitely prefer the early Virginia.

 

[BrownBear]

I've got a Tennessee 62, and the small, narrow hooked butt will flat get your attention if you don't put it in the right place on your arm. I happen to really like it for offhand shooting, but have no doubt the Virginia would handle recoil better. I have prominent cheekbones and actually like the extra drop of a Tennessee. I would need some cast-off in the stock if I went to a Virginia with its higher comb.

 

[Mr Hawken]

i have talked to tvm and they would do a .62 in a leman .i dont have any expeirence with anything bigger than a .54 renegade so this is all helpful.i know they are 2 different types of stock designs just i like both. i just worry about carring a long barrel rifle for a extended period of time so thats why i thought of the leman design.

 

[Snow on the Roof]

i have talked to tvm and they would do a .62 in a leman .i dont have any expeirence with anything bigger than a .54 renegade so this is all helpful.i know they are 2 different types of stock designs just i like both. i just worry about carring a long barrel rifle for a extended period of time so thats why i thought of the leman design.

So what's to stop you from having Matt build you a Virgina with a 36" OR 32" barrel? Are you looking for a hunting rifle or want a gun to pass muster at a historical event? If its a hunting gun, get the Virgina with a short barrel, load it heavy and go kill elk :wink: :wink:

Snow

 

[hawk]

i have talked to tvm and they would do a .62 in a leman .i dont have any expeirence with anything bigger than a .54 renegade so this is all helpful.i know they are 2 different types of stock designs just i like both. i just worry about carring a long barrel rifle for a extended period of time so thats why i thought of the leman design.

...how about a jaeger flintlock in .62 with a sling they were made for dragging up the side of a mountain.

 

[longcruise]

The other thing about the Leman is if it is built to the old time Leman dimensions, it is a kinda small stock. I had a chance to handle one of Jack Brooks' Lemans at a show last spring and found it to be just too dang small for my frame.

Had been thinking along the same lines as yourself as to the ease of carry and handy application in the Rockies, but once I shouldered it I knew it was not for me. Apparently these guns were fitted to the plains indians who were not real big guys?

A .58 or .62 cal barrel on your renegade would work, but then that puts you out of the new gun loop and that's no fun at all! :haha:

 

[nit wit]

Have someone build you a british style,brown bess only rifled in .58-62.
I just had a 1776 model built .615 rifled bore,28" barrel just right for moose in Maine!
Bought the parts off the classified section, also military style butt plates don't beat you to death with heavy charges.
Nit Wit

 

[BrownBear]

A .58 or .62 cal barrel on your renegade would work, but then that puts you out of the new gun loop and that's no fun at all!

I agree on the new gun being more fun. I own 58 and 62 cal drop-in barrels and regularly use them on Renegades. Yeah, they're the right hole sizes and they work well.

But the balance and handling aren't nearly as good as the other models being discussed. I would look carefully at tapered or swamped barrels on whichever you have built for best balance, especially if you want a longer barrel.

 

[Trench]

I own a .58 caliber Virginia from Matt and I can attest to it's ability to lessen perceived recoil. The butt is over 2 inches wide and really spreads it out. 100gr of 2F behind a .570 feels as light as a mid-summers breeze. :grin:

 

[hanshi]

Their EV does handle recoil extremely well. Mine's a .50 and heavy loads are just a mild push. Mine also has a 42" barrel but one with a 36" or 38" swamped barrel would be a really nice rifle.

 

[Fishhog]

My TVM Leman .58 w/100 gr.2F Goex is nice to shoot not too bad recoil.Pretty pointy upper butt point.I have pretty broad shoulders/upper bicep and you have to shoot off the groove area which I normally do any way..Off the benck or prone gotta be careful,first shot didn't get it in the right spot and she bit me good..Love it for offhand,mine is a 38" 1" accross the flats straight barrel and she hangs very nice..Matt builds a very nice gun..Ray

 

[texcl]

You could have them make a short virgina or jeager in .62. There were transitional rifles that were american made jeagers. That's what a 30" virginia would be in my book. The long barrel actually travels well if made correctly, the only time I've had an issue is in a blind at close range animals.

 

[Le Grand]

I'd go for the Leman. You don't need to load it for b'ar all of the time.

 

[Stubert]

I have a 62 halfstock flint 34" straight octagon barrel, with a cresant butt. at 110 gr. 2f and a 341 gr. ball, it doesnt hurt at all. I use 80 gr. for hunting whitetails.

 

[Mr Hawken]

would it be fair to say that the crecent style on the leman would be similar to a gpr?the disadvantage i have is that i cannot hold or see these rifles except for pictures.would the extra powder and recoil of a .62 be worth it or would the .58 be a better choice?

 

[BigSkyRambler]

I think a Leman in .54 would be more than adequate for your needs and have less recoil than the .62. It's all about shot placement. Plus, I think that the Leman fullstocked rifles are just great looking guns.

 

[Le Grand]

Mr. H, My choice would be the .58 over the .62 but I also favor the .54 over either of those bigger bores.