Ya I vote for the 62/20 myself, I carry shot and round ball, and a buggy (20") 45 or 50 fast twist a 400 to 500 slug for long shots. It takes 10 to 15 sec'a to swap the barrel on mine ( I built a push button barrel lock for one of mine) and since each barrel has its own sights you can carry as many different ones as you like. I guess Ive shot at most 15 or so shots with out swabing it down, I dont get the cleanning problems I see here, may be from the DC frames when they changed up back yrs ago. Fred :hatsoff: (oh about forgot we need GMWW on here he's really turned into the uh guy)(look up his post for lots of uh stuff on perc or the old builders pages(
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Hello, I'm a little confused...
I have a T/C Hawken .50 cal, that uses a hammer and cap. Is this not considered an "under the hammer" gun?
If it's NOT an under the hammer, does this mean that I can use the nipples from Flint River sold at Walmart that specifically state "Not recomended for under the hammer rifles".
:bow: Thanks for the expertise!
I have a T/C Hawken .50 cal, that uses a hammer and cap. Is this not considered an "under the hammer" gun?
If it's NOT an under the hammer, does this mean that I can use the nipples from Flint River sold at Walmart that specifically state "Not recomended for under the hammer rifles".
:bow: Thanks for the expertise!
A Hawken is a sidelock. An under hammer has the hammer underneath the barrel and strikes in line with the barrel. Usually the trigger guard itself is the mainspring. A elegant system really, just kinda lacking in the looks department. Poke around the site a bit for some pictures and links. They're an odd looking gun compared to what we usually see.
You can kick around on here back to a yr and see all kinds weve even had a guy find the org land papers Tex traded for a few 100 back in 1837 or 38. At one time we had uh'ers about as many as the infamous Hawken pages :rotf: Fred :hatsoff: (it got way out of hand with 2000 views plus)
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Greetings one and all. For those asking about the underhammer here is a thread I posted a while back.
Underhammer History
A great book to get if you can find it is the "Pictorial History of the Underhammer Gun" by Herschel C. Logan. FW loaned me his book and I was hooked on Underhammers.
It even has a picture of an flintlock underhammer from 1740's I believe. Kinda sweet! As far as not being too attractive. Hmmm, I guess that's up to the individual. Sort of grew on me and now I own four. John Tayler is working on my fourth one now.
If you want to see some really ugly underhammres (sarcasim) check this thread.
Minature underhammers
They belong to a customer of John Taylor. I happen to be in the shop when he dropped by. He was gracious enough to let me photograph them.
Anyways take care all. I'll be with the Under the table gang at 1:48" twist thread. :blah:
Underhammer History
A great book to get if you can find it is the "Pictorial History of the Underhammer Gun" by Herschel C. Logan. FW loaned me his book and I was hooked on Underhammers.
It even has a picture of an flintlock underhammer from 1740's I believe. Kinda sweet! As far as not being too attractive. Hmmm, I guess that's up to the individual. Sort of grew on me and now I own four. John Tayler is working on my fourth one now.
If you want to see some really ugly underhammres (sarcasim) check this thread.
Minature underhammers
They belong to a customer of John Taylor. I happen to be in the shop when he dropped by. He was gracious enough to let me photograph them.
Anyways take care all. I'll be with the Under the table gang at 1:48" twist thread. :blah:
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I like a bit of meat on my ladies. She looks like Twiggy. :grin: :grin:
Yea, and ya got her all dressed up in black accessories too. Very nice touch. :grin:
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thanks gmww. :thumbsup:
I think a lot of the intrinsic accuracy of the under hammer comes from the fact that it's as close to free floating as a muzzleloader barrel is likely to get. There was an accuracy discussion in another thread. This picture just reminded me of another reason I figured they had a bit more accuracy potential. Thanks for posting it. Nice group too. 
Now arent you happy Ive sent ya all the stuff over the last year about underhammers? Now you can be Mr Underhammer, as much as Ive shot them and really find out new stuff about them up till 4 months ago I spent 45 min a day answering Emails on this and that about them every day, I couldnt of had a better man carry the flag for them Glen. Do you remember who it was that found the org papers to the trade in Tex for land for a few 100 underhammer rifles in the 1830s Im still trying to find the connect with the Tex Rangers. Thanks Much any new stuff that comes up I'll pass along to ya. Fred :hatsoff:
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There is a long discussion about Underhammers going on right now in the Long Rifle Muzzle Loading (LRML) forum on Yahoo. I get the emails and have tried to interject what I know but these gentleman are serious long range shooters and a lot over my head in Tech discussion. Plus they don't know me as I don't usually participate. Sort of the odd man out I'm afraid.
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Not knowing how to get to it Im guessing you mean the heavys like John H's 50 + pounder, they may be underhammers but thats all we got in common with them Im afraid. And ya it was for the first order of uh for Tex, some guy was telling you prove it ever happened and he was on another thing saying the same thing and came back on here saying some guy in Tex gave him the spot of and and copy of papers The state Of Tex has drawn up with Kendall in 36-37 this guy really gave you hell over "prove it " and shut right up after these guys showed him a copy of the deeds. I could find it in sec's if AOL would let me search back more than 30 days. :shake: Fred :hatsoff:
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Hi Fred. Here is the link to the group.
LRML Group
They are more about precision long range muzzle loading. It just so happens Underhammers came up in the posts lately.
Regards,
Gmww :hatsoff:
LRML Group
They are more about precision long range muzzle loading. It just so happens Underhammers came up in the posts lately.
Regards,
Gmww :hatsoff:
Do you remember the story i did on here about shooting the 1000 yds and the guy that won it did it with a Billinghurst copy 451 I think and it was the first time he had tryed and had built the thing himself 1000 yds with something like a 26" barrel :shake: Fred :hatsoff:
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good day at the range today with two of my underhammers. holding about 3" offhand at 50 with the heritage. fred, took the 48" out today - 1 ragged hole at 50 yds from the bench. the guys i was shooting with accused me of cheating by having such a long barrel. they said it put me that much closer to the target. LOL, they just hate to lose.
If I could still get out and shoot that would be the one to use, Im still looking for that front pic of sight , you just cant belive how small the pin prick hole is you see thru- dime at 50yds and nikel at 100 then just pull the trigger that 48 wouldnt dare to miss. :rotf: really some guns have souls of somekind and this sure had it big. Keep tearing them up Wal. Fred :hatsoff:
