what to use instead of lead balls

[Jim in Wisconsin]

the density of lead is about 11.3 grams per cubic centimeter -- the density of copper is about 8.9 grams per cubic centimeter.

 

[user 51067]

Out of curiosity, how do you pull a steel ball?

Nothing personal-but having been a Deputy Conservation Officer myself, I found that the full time salaried "deer police" consisted mostly of individuals who were not qualified to be actual LEOs. They were constantly understaffed and battling an "inferiority complex."

 

[Jason60chev]

Lead.......Periodic table symbol: PB........is a NATURALLY occurring ELEMENT, in the earth in its final form. It is NOT man made nor artificially processed. It is there.....IN the ground.....only to be duh up. So, how do these environmentalists think that it affects the earth....other than maybe too much accumulation from rifle ranges? Maybe ranges should dig through their berms now and then and recover the lead.

Just humor me here.

If I smashed flat a Conical I made- and no metal was showing- only powder coating…..
With that in my pocket

As I show that to a Officer- proving no lead would be available to the environment- even if it Was deformed and exited after a animal….

How is that not sufficient for the requirements?

No Lead would be in the environment to do harm.

I guess that’s a silly question- becouse we are talking about a place that has some very silly rules/laws… and Common Sense dosnt apply to this thought pattern.

 

[Rock Home Isle]

You can't go wrong with Copper, it is denser than lead so has a little bit better sectional density. The Mexican army used Copper cannon balls and shot at Palo Alto.

Copper is not denser than lead.

 

[Africa58double]

Perhaps Gold could be used- Why not? After all, Everything is more expensive in California

 

[Two Elks]

If fish and foul doubts your ammo is lead free they take a sample and have it tested.

Re:
How will wildlife officers check for compliance?
All ammunition in a hunter’s possession may be inspected by wildlife officers. In some cases, if a wildlife officer suspects a hunter is in possession of lead ammunition and cannot prove otherwise in the field, he or she may seize a cartridge or bullet for further analysis. Hunters are encouraged to assist in confirming compliance by retaining and carrying in the field ammunition boxes or other packaging.

Here they carry a magnet and check for the contents with that.

 

[Two Elks]

Lead.......Periodic table symbol: PB........is a NATURALLY occurring ELEMENT, in the earth in its final form. It is NOT man made nor artificially processed. It is there.....IN the ground.....only to be duh up. So, how do these environmentalists think that it affects the earth....other than maybe too much accumulation from rifle ranges? Maybe ranges should dig through their berms now and then and recover the lead.

I understand that the law in California was enacted to protect the endangered Condor (and other wildlife) from lead poisoning by ingesting the lead bullets/balls. At least that was their excuse at the time. I don't think that is a valid reason.

 

[Whitworth]

Copper is not denser than lead.

My mistake, clutch slipped a bit, copper cannon balls are heavier than iron ones. Guess I'm getting senile.

 

[gunpa]

Not in Idaho! I guarantee!

 

[Dale Allen Raby]

You can't go wrong with Copper, it is denser than lead so has a little bit better sectional density. The Mexican army used Copper cannon balls and shot at Palo Alto.

No, it isn't. Where did you get your information? Lead is much denser than copper.

 

[david w]

Copper is much harder than lead, but lead is much more dense.

 

[Uncle Miltie]

http://www.eco-slug.com/

 

[chorizo]

Fish cops...we have our share of feces for brains, jack-booted thugs here in Idaho too.

And I am very pro-LEO, so for me to form that opinion comes from seeing and experiencing them, not from hearsay.

 

[Notchy Bob]

You might try looking up "Ecoslugs" (or "Eco-Slugs"... I've seen both spellings). We are not supposed to discuss sabots, but in the interest of helping the man out, I don't think it will hurt to just mention them so he can look them up for himself.

These have a threaded hole in the nose that allows the bullet to be pulled with a threaded ramrod adapter that they provide, if you dryball a load or you meet up with a crotchety game warden who wants to see the bullet (see post #11). The manufacturer also indicates these like a faster twist but will work with one turn in 48".

Notchy Bob

 

[Africa58double]

Powder coated Lead hard cast of 8Bhn

Smash it with a sledge

Still dosnt come off and show lead

 

[Thingamajiggy]

with a 1:48 twist, I'd recommend a saboted all copper barnes bullet or Hornady's gilded non-lead bullet. Your should be able to find a load that your gun likes shooting them. Both should conform to Cali's no lead rule.

 

[Whitworth]

No, it isn't. Where did you get your information? Lead is much denser than copper.

My clutch slipped, I was thinking of iron.

 

[Dale Allen Raby]

My clutch slipped, I was thinking of iron.

These things happen more and more often... to me, unfortunately.

 

[FishDFly]

i have a chance to go black bear hunting but can,t use lead balls in california what and where do i get a non lead ball???

Check your PM.